From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: humans and technology Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 01:31:02 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20170429151605.GA3057@workstation> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1493508705 24971 195.159.176.226 (29 Apr 2017 23:31:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2017 23:31:45 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 30 01:31:38 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d4bpx-0006J6-LJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 01:31:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42800 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d4bq3-0003Rb-BO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:31:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39483) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d4bpf-0003RU-FP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:31:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d4bpc-00068s-5Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:31:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=56622 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d4bpb-00068A-VP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:31:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d4bpP-0005hR-1F for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 01:31:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 52 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:33u19den1GtOTOKHTXbtrOBVOC0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112902 Archived-At: hector wrote: > Well. You should formally define "good" and > "better". Not an easy task. Have you seen this chart? [1] I have to say I agree 100% - at least with respect to the upper echelons. The stuff below I can't assess because I never used it :) Actually when I meet a random guy at the gym and he tells me he is a Java developer I try my hardest not to show my elitism. It is really difficult for me to think of a guy using Windows, Eclipse, and Java as a hacker. Does not compute! But I suppose he is? And one could make similar charts for all other pieces of technology as well. Unix (Linux) superior to Windows. CLI superior to GUI (except for CAD, GIS and stuff that are visual in nature - but even here there is for example gnuplot! - not "gnu" as in GNU by the way). Databases: SQL. Documents: LaTeX. And so on. As for the editor there is one issue of what editor is better than the other. I didn't use Vim so I can't tell. Obviously Emacs is more powerful than Nano and the likes. However the more important thing is that the editor is not just an editor, it is the *key* to the whole computer system! And I believe Emacs is the number one such key. > Our way of life has nothing to do with that > of our grandfathers. We are genetically the same. But what one does is so important! If one guy works in the forest all day and the other writes code... However if they switched places for a couple of weeks the programmer would already start to look, act, and think like a wood chopper. It is an open question who would adapt more quickly. I suppose it would depend on the particular persons, as well. [1] http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/hierarchy.png -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573