From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: goncholden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Spaces rather than tabs by a major mode hook Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 11:15:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83a6ajzmza.fsf@gnu.org> <83r13vy4nf.fsf@gnu.org> <83leu3y0hs.fsf@gnu.org> <83h74rxze0.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: goncholden Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25167"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 11 13:48:39 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nzzbb-0006SN-09 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 13:48:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59920 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzzbZ-0006Qz-VO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 07:48:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzz6E-0002We-SY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 07:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.18]:18459) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzz68-0004kf-Ii; Sat, 11 Jun 2022 07:16:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1654946165; x=1655205365; bh=uygQ8PhgMT5a9hEvd2jE93+REIXbtETh66j7mHXvWxE=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To: Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=lHOtvYBaZQL6UFunpzLXxjIEvKlpQ+4vdoWr8tz4KSNESfH4SVn6V5d1o8GxDz5U/ FjjhHsyG+/kDG63Wx8QivGRvWZBpkUra292IXgWdJahlo2pZ4lIVNXKJsflLjiY3/d vILu6f7A81G4KpnH4YOVUs1NzV3uqQxTppLjG+xaw21ysRf5HPy8pn/TCqpQv0MAlx YuhkBJsVPFSY6zPWZ+TVxftWtZ7L778R2Txm5Ta7ZTGR41CKAt/H5ZRS+3EBr4XjHe Mf6ad0WLDXdahoQ4l0e7hRbzkMEPydy+Gi1xFDsn2jW1gN2Bhznls2BOK9JW4RAc7g F260n/Y9yDtJg== In-Reply-To: <83h74rxze0.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 43053548:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.18; envelope-from=goncholden@protonmail.com; helo=mail-4318.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137691 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, June 11th, 2022 at 10:33 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrot= e: > > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:20:39 +0000 > > From: goncholden goncholden@protonmail.com > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > > > > For instance, how can I get the tab key to just make a tab and > > > > pressing it again to make another tab. As I can do with spaces. > > > > > > You shouldn't need this, not at all. If you set the indentation > > > levels and variables for the style of these files, typing TAB will > > > insert as many TAB characters as needed to get to the correct column. > > > For example, if the line should be indented 3 tab stops, typing TAB > > > just once will insert all the 3 TABs in one go. > > > > > > That is what Emacs indentation commands are about: they insert the > > > whitespace as necessary according to your settings, so that you never > > > again should need to count TABs or insert them one by one. > > > > > > You should embrace this powerful feature instead of fighting against > > > it. It does need some setup to adapt to a particular style of > > > indentation, but that is one-time only, so really worth it. > > > > The point here is that they do not have a specific style, meaning the s= tyles vary, but emacs imposes some specific style that one has to set up. A= nd you cannot degress from it. > > > Emacs doesn't impose any style. By "style" I meant how many columns > should each construct be indented. In Emacs, you can set all the > parameters of the style one by one via the menu I mentioned, and you > can do that according to the style used by whoever wrote these files. > Then you save your customizations, and Emacs will henceforth > automatically indent according to the style you defined by your > customizations. Let me rephrase again. Emacs imposes indentation rules by requiring said c= ustomisations. These files have not been written by one person but a resul= t of more than 35 years of work by an entire research department for a pass= ive sonar system. The question about how many columns should each construc= t be indented, has no answer.