From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Source code, git and cvs Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 17:33:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87v8ee4sad.fsf@yahoo.com> <6HUp-C43ybkt5vDEYSO5olPY5eqIK3Xw5Kn6E4DSc3HFUj3bLOIE11VaP9iyglyC-jiQ7nIW4h4SFV58-fNOGZfGRRgc_SyYSscsdSfhLlw=@proton.me> <83mszq3bmx.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilae3899.fsf@gnu.org> <835y6e35iy.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1971"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 20 19:34:46 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qMXY6-0000EN-3r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 19:34:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMXXR-0001ZN-3p; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:34:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMXXO-0001YS-PL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4318.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.18]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMXXL-00006j-KL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 13:34:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1689874436; x=1690133636; bh=SQGKyD7i2O79g8Rnzm6wdAHdQHOKyVgCJ8+SI+rbBTs=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=dPPYTII/LYoGwYPw33VPaOStMPd7JzvZIXF2KKhYoFlIuqAkDqGkZxuG60JbTKa6I nahefZBFp3aY97JDyAD3tS49VnjnN5yJfZhImHgIajyZgwxyQ4S8K41APLF9QwAYNA vYXnRBH1kSNRCBy0gKg5LnBo9P7kc1zdttBmk5HZhLKY44/eP+fonEPlHyA/PI8ZLg 6tkUaV4CD7aUl7hkis32CcQdDDS9mASx+4FXYCPuJPf7DFfC3zFKd+X5aHa2RZ0TAq DGuT8NB4fGRQkHX0gQIR5CsV+FRTLHQfh6ZHdq546uE0fZI+X/8xMEBU2yUAf4Y2zX 8zIEIN2JCUEHQ== In-Reply-To: <835y6e35iy.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.18; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4318.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144361 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, July 21st, 2023 at 4:35 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 15:47:32 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > ------- Original Message ------- > > On Friday, July 21st, 2023 at 3:36 AM, Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org wrote= : > >=20 > > > > Can this detail be included in README ? Because currently README on= ly > > > > describes INSTALL. > > >=20 > > > INSTALL itself already includes that information: > > >=20 > > > For information about building from a Git checkout (rather than an > > > Emacs release), read the INSTALL.REPO file first. > >=20 > > I do not like the idea that information is stored deeper and deeper > > in hierarchy. They are two separate things and should be mentioned > > in the README. Not having to read about where to find information > > about installing from the repo using the file intended to show how > > to install from the tarball. > >=20 > > Do not make it difficult for users to get to the basic information > > they need. >=20 >=20 > I think it makes it easier, because INSTALL is a definitely a file > people who want to install will read, whereas README is a more > general-purpose file which doesn't necessarily need to say anything > about installation. >=20 > > README should describe both immediately at the start. Not just about > > installing from the tarball. >=20 >=20 > We clearly disagree. Of course, hide it and make things more difficult for new users. And then= =20 expect them to figure out things by themselves. And when they ask questio= ns, never be straightforward and give them the code they need to use. It is th= eir job to go through the ever increasing obfuscation of information embedded w= ithin deeper and deeper levels of cyclomatic complexity. Classic example of deve= lopment=20 malpractice. =20 smart approach.