From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tfb@famine.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: OSX Meta bound to Esc! Date: 15 Jan 2004 16:04:31 -0800 Organization: University of California, Berkeley Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <140120041853024358%stupidnewsprogram@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1074212481 5447 80.91.224.253 (16 Jan 2004 00:21:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 16 01:21:16 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AhHjf-0008Tx-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:21:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AhHf0-0005PM-I2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:16:26 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!agate.berkeley.edu!agate!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs Original-Lines: 39 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: famine.ocf.berkeley.edu Original-X-Trace: agate.berkeley.edu 1074211477 99247 192.58.221.246 (16 Jan 2004 00:04:37 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:04:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:120144 comp.emacs:82857 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:16082 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:16082 Tim McNamara writes: > Konrad Hinsen writes: > > > I have probably missed the start of this thread, but I am a bit > > surprised about it. Even the non-windowing emacs that Apple ships > > with MacOS X uses the option key as the meta key (they couldn't use > > the command key as that is used by the terminal). Nobody *has* to > > use ESC on a Mac. > > Apple neglected to provide a way to use the Alt/Option key as Meta in > their implementation of X11. You can use OroborOSX to correct this, > but that takes a long time to launch and is still a beta, as well as > adding yet another layer to the processes. On my machine, creating > an .Xmodmap to correct this caused the X server to crash repeatedly; > not sure why, I don't have enough experience with this sort of > thing. So I end up using ESC, and it works well enough. Hmm, I'm pretty sure I had option setup as meta at one point. But maybe that was with XDarwin, before apple released X11.app. Either way, you are aware that under X11.app, the Command key is Meta, right? Some of the menu shortcuts interfere with useful M- combinations (M-x comes to mind), but you can turn them off. > Kudos to Apple for building OS X over a BSD platform; however, they > still don't quite "get it" as far as the Unix end goes. Huh, I disagree -- I now use my Mac as something other than just a really pretty Unix, but that's how I treated it at first. -- /|_ .-----------------------. ,' .\ / | No to Imperialist war | ,--' _,' | Wage class war! | / / `-----------------------' ( -. | | ) | (`-. '--.) `. )----'