From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Compiling Emacs with GTK Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:58:06 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109257317 4254 80.91.229.2 (24 Feb 2005 15:01:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:01:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 24 16:01:57 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4KQS-0004sw-57 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:57:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4Ki1-0003hN-EW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:15:21 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!syros.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 52 Original-X-Trace: individual.net kk+rIdBpRcrj4DLjuNfjhw+jhstRMzyaYsETc9+ym1arHhyhLh X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:phPSf/Gikf0qUuN9s23VUxv5piQ= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:128777 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24314 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24314 Hendrik Sattler writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >> Hendrik Sattler writes: >> >>> David Kastrup wrote: >>> >>>> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars >>>> suck. >>>> >>>> To change the direction of moving, I have to move the >>>> mouse.  I can't control the size of the move except by dragging >>>> (a recipe for RSI). When scrolling in one direction repeatedly, >>>> the moment the scroll "thumbmark" gyrates under the mouse cursor, >>>> it stops working. >>> >>> Mouse wheels are a great invention. Instead of mouse1/mouse2 to >>> scroll, you use scroll_up/scroll_down, nothing is more intuitive >>> than that. And at least with QT, you can use that on a horizontal >>> scrollbar, too, if you place the mouse cursor over it. Some mice >>> offer a real button instead of the wheel (I like this even >>> better). >>> >>> And since this is about a text editor: PgUp/PgDown exist ;) >> >> All those are arguments for not using the scrollbar at all. While >> you can turn it off with Emacs easily, it is somewhat pointless to >> discuss what scrollbar type is the best when not used. > > I only see it as indication of where I am in the whole page. Your > points (using mouse1/mouse2 to scroll down/up) do not really use the > scroll bar, either. Uh, pardon? First, it is mouse-1 and mouse-3. And secondly, I don't know how clicking on the scrollbar to achieve a scrolling effect is not really using it. > To use the scroll _bar_ itself, you actually have to drag it. It would appear that you are confusing the scrollbar tack/thumb with the scrollbar itself. Athena-style scrollbars don't even _have_ a tack. > The only other good use would the it jumps to point where you click > (but did not find one that does this, yet). That is the mouse-2 action of Athena-style scrollbars (and the no-toolkit scrollbars of Emacs _are_ Athena-style). -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum