From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making Emacs more newbie friendly Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:15:28 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: References: <874qf8d3cy.fsf@thalassa.informatimago.com> <7e4qf7yfgh.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> <7er7ibwmvj.fsf@ada2.unipv.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111256314 31151 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 18:18:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:18:34 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 19:18:33 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCiWl-0000oM-Q7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:18:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCinV-0001O8-Jh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:35:41 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Trace: individual.net p7yT5cClyFYq5Uk0aUk0fw7nkv6/zuAMo+E/18vj3IpwY6O2CH X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/pQqXOAIKM5PmZfMTc7jOkY849A= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129424 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24979 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24979 PT writes: > On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:45:20 +0100, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: >> >> everyone finds their own reason. though you can endeavor to be >> entertaining, you cannot make people see what they do not wish to >> see. for example, in this thread, i have tried to choose a >> partially aligned position in hopes of obliquely redirecting your >> enthusiasm, but i have failed. now i go do other things... > > Okay. > > My enthusiasm has vanished, BTW. This all thread was just a sudden, > half-baked idea. Reading all the answers I have a more thorough > understanding of the situation. The development resources available > for Emacs are scarce and the idea has no obvious benefits, It would be less exasperating conversing with you if you did not constantly insinuate stuff and put words into one's mouth. Nobody said that improving Emacs' appeal to newbies has no obvious benefits. It has merely been pointed out that this is not as easy an process as you make it out to be. We are working on it a major part of the time, and I told you that I am one of the main proponents of such work, and project leader for two major usability projects in the area of LaTeX. Yet you still insist on misrepresenting on what has been said. I find this distasteful. > so now I too go and do other things... :) Probably a good idea. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum