From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Pressing ? does not allow window scrolling through the list of info commands Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 13:46:32 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83bkgoguea.fsf@gnu.org> <837crcgra6.fsf@gnu.org> <14KP-ia-06yjAh-_mSMzvtPr1r24o2Csrt1AZWdGWTTN2OfCHNEcTkbmUFJaAeHHZZmkW5S3QypOZdaAMZG9RnU-ApcaB8nsuaTXFphsZGg=@proton.me> <0fdTAqyLLU2GmTGs9PSCc_J37QDw9Ty04TrbeEtKGFcGQs3AbhmyMbhew_t8uHIjg50CDG1uR28pV1rWjnD4omMWAZoBZHoY9RFP_v9qV2g=@proton.me> <83lefrg9w6.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs5zg919.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7454"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 07 15:47:24 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qHlnu-0001fy-8T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:47:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHlnO-00042o-1U; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 09:46:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHlnM-000427-V4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 09:46:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40137.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.137]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHlnH-0006sU-Eo; Fri, 07 Jul 2023 09:46:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1688737598; x=1688996798; bh=zbHA8t9NEuI31rG7X6XxODhdfh8DCMn1ppFFb06WUT0=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=MJFPgpTZfebkDFxdhzFMWxi8lb2thOTB00CxUy98rbkYv+C0pMlIDVIFmifSLObEb Mj4eqoIHxKqWjdrCM047tC9bbk4wcOaXDQ5xadk1mHRCG+wOgVVheEqgoL6qRb6t00 IgCqoJGcDaqsRXOyOw08eG6962Fh2WNr8vg3lEqIy9NP5DYFY/RZWtGnzIsNW9qZ+q ruwV+Ae+S0NN85raVJHmKlAulPBB6Wwncpv5ANTf7Tn8Sv6ZtuSrZwB8w4gm2OUTSb RxJ9kJU5y/E5J6E60+UertCxo0JXG4T7tjh28kHvcwr+6ora9AngHfvswAIqYEvhIK 4USrAWxRC/OJw== In-Reply-To: <83fs5zg919.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.137; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-40137.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144157 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, July 8th, 2023 at 1:12 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 13:03:46 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > Not being able to operate upon the '?' buffer is very problematic. For = instance, > > if one wishes to increase or decrease the font size, one cannot do so b= ecause they > > get redirected to the manual. >=20 >=20 > Users who want to change their font should be already very familiar > with how Info mode works. Certainly not, because they could be using some premade tool. Not being=20 able to change the font with keys is unworkable for accessibility purposes. =20 > > The buffer should be made to behave as a normal buffer, using some key = to get out of it. >=20 >=20 > I disagree, and I already explained why. Come up with some other method of going back to the manual. You have a '?'= tool that nobody uses because the way to view it is worthless. You know as I do that= the workings of the '?' tool is like nothing else, extremely weird as it always tried to= get you back to the manual rather than read the information. Changing the font size (wi= th key sequence) works well for the manual. Same ability should be extended to the '?' tool= as well.