From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What did you do with Emacs!!!!! Date: 08 Apr 2003 12:10:56 +0100 Organization: BIOSCI/MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3E89C1FE.8143540@spam.de> <873cl0t27j.fsf@tiger.rapttech.com.au> <87fzots83v.fsf@tiger.rapttech.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049800697 27787 80.91.224.249 (8 Apr 2003 11:18:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 08 13:18:15 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 192r7H-0007Dr-00 for ; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:18:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 192r4T-0007P5-05 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 07:15:21 -0400 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 39 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: bromine.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk Original-X-Trace: niobium.hgmp.mrc.ac.uk 1049800257 369 193.62.192.35 (8 Apr 2003 11:10:57 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news@net.bio.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:10:57 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2.93 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!freenix!feed.ac-versailles.fr!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!hgmp.mrc.ac.uk!not-for-mail Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:111772 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:8273 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:8273 >>>>> "David" == David Kastrup writes: David> Tim X writes: >> David Kastrup writes: >> >> > Tim X writes: >> > >> > > The first thing I did when moving to emacs 21 was finid out >> > > how >> > >to get rid of the toolbar, the blinking cursor and rebuilt it >> > >without image support. >> > What does the last buy you except make it completely >> > impossible >> >to use something like >> >? >> I don't need it - I'm a blind user and ALL forms of graphics are >> a total waste of time for me. David> A detail worth mentioning. Is there an advantage of using a David> window environment at all in that case? I would imagine that David> it would not buy you anything over a pure tty Emacs. It depends how he is using Emacs. An emacspeak interface would work well within both. However there is still an advantage to using a windowing version of emacs, as simply moving between the emacs window and other windows will be easier, as it will have the correct title, that is "emacs" instead of "xterm", or "command prompt" or whatever. Most of the speech interfaces out there do actually reflect the visual interface. Many of the windows ones for instance, when they are reading text will only read what is actually on screen. Hence the blind user still needs functionality to minimize and maximize windows, rather than just move between them, even though you might have though this was a purely visual cue. Cheers Phil