From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sven Utcke Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-f, C-b, C-n and C-p or right, left, down, up? Date: 06 Oct 2003 16:21:26 +0200 Organization: University of Hamburg -- Germany Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1c58a7c3.0310010003.78c0fa00@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1065450805 20023 80.91.224.253 (6 Oct 2003 14:33:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 06 16:33:21 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A6WQL-0007XS-00 for ; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:33:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1A6WPl-0003AZ-TG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:32:45 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-han1.dfn.de!news-ber1.dfn.de!news.uni-hamburg.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 36 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: kogs31.informatik.uni-hamburg.de Original-X-Trace: rzsun03.rrz.uni-hamburg.de 1065450087 4455 134.100.12.153 (6 Oct 2003 14:21:27 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uni-hamburg.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Oct 2003 14:21:27 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:117091 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:13019 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:13019 "Daniel B." writes: > Barman Brakjoller wrote: > > > > >From the Emacs tutorial (C-h t): > > > > "... We recommend learning C-b, C-f, C-n and C-p for three > > reasons. First, they work on all kinds of terminals. Second, once > > you gain practice at using Emacs, you will find that typing these > > Control > > characters is faster than typing the arrow keys ..." > > > > Is it worth it? > > Yes, but reconfigure your keyboard so that the Caps Lock key functions > as the control key. (I'm assuming you're using a PC-style keyboard.) > > Emacs control-character sequences were designed when the standard place > for the control key was just to the left of where the A key is (in the > US layout). Well, considering where C-y is on an american keyboard (it's fine on a German one, incidentially), makes one wonder if Emacs control sequences where ever designed for anything but mnemonic value --- Most of them certainly are in strange places. I for one use the arrow keys where available, even after using Emacs for 10 years, and while rarely using the mouse... Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | '