From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai =?iso-8859-15?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: MULE shows gibberish; now what? Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:44:47 +0200 Organization: University of Dortmund, Germany Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033315006 23137 127.0.0.1 (29 Sep 2002 15:56:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17vgR1-000610-00 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:56:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vgRG-0008Sh-00; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 11:56:58 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!nntp.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!213.73.101.75!eusc.inter.net!Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 48 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YZIPEWHYrDXhxlto6Cv3ao8ktAc= Original-Xref: nntp.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:105491 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:2036 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:2036 Clemens Fischer writes: > Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Grojohann) writes: > >> Emacs might not auto-detect UTF-8 out of the box. Does it work if >> you say C-x RET c utf-8 RET C-x C-f /path/to/the/file RET? >> >> If it is important, I'm sure it's possible to find out how to improve >> UTF-8 autodetection in Emacs. > > oh, i'd say this is very important. for example, i get GPG encoded > messages where the same funny characters are displayed the OP talked > about (one funny character plus the normal character one expects to > see). Is the funny char \201? Then it's another problem, not related to UTF-8. > this may well be a defficiency in GPG (mailcrypt in my case): i get > the cryptogram from an emacs in one characterset, which gets lost in > transmission, and gets decoded 1:1 from the perspective of the > sender. which turns out to be wrong on my receiving side. Hm. Are you using the old non-MIME method of using GPG? If you use MIME, then the newly committed (to Gnus CVS) PGG might be useful. > but actually, i didn't understand a thing what you and hilarious ilya > talked about. what's a glyph other than what a character looks like, > anyway? isn't it a picture of a character? Ilya expected that Emacs can display a character using a glyph from another character set. Hm. How to explain... Suppose you have a Latin-9 document but you don't have a Latin-9 font, only a Latin-1 font. Then you would like to display the German umlauts using the Latin-1 fonts. But Emacs can't do that. It associates a character set with each character, and it only uses a font for that character set for displaying the character. In Ilya's case, there are different encodings for Cyrillic, and it would be useful to display a file encoded in iso-8859-5 with a font that's encoded in KOI-R, say. So this would amount to using glyph number 42 (from the KOI-R font) to display character number 27 (from the iso-8859-5 charset). kai -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn (Frank Nobis)