Strange "boldification" of letters

Strange "boldification" of letters

[Torsten Bronger]

Hallöchen!

I observe the following effect with my Emacs 23.0.60.4 on a Gnome
desktop: http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/Torsten.Bronger/emacs.png

As you can see, the letters "i" and "r" to the left of the cursor
(and the preceding line) are much bolder than the others.  I
achieved this by pressing "up arrow" and "down arrow" many many
times, alternating point between the "n" and the "o" (so, the
right-hand-side neighbours of the bold letters).  By doing this, the
letters became gradually bolder.  The typeface is "monospace-14",
the cursor is non-blinking.  As you can see, sub-pixel anti-aliasing
is switched on with Gnome.

Only some letters are affected.  i, r, x, s, k, w, as far as I can
see.  But "m", for example, stays thin.

What's going on here?

Tschö,
Torsten.

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Re: Strange "boldification" of letters

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, May 10 2008, Torsten Bronger wrote:

> I observe the following effect with my Emacs 23.0.60.4 on a Gnome [...]

,----[ INSTALL.CVS ]
| Questions, requests, and bug reports about the CVS versions of Emacs
| should be sent to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org rather than gnu.emacs.help
| or gnu.emacs.bug.  Ideally, use M-x report-emacs-bug RET which will
| send it to the proper place.
`----

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Re: Strange "boldification" of letters

[Torsten Bronger]

Hallöchen!

Reiner Steib writes:

> On Sat, May 10 2008, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> I observe the following effect with my Emacs 23.0.60.4 on a Gnome [...]
>
> ,----[ INSTALL.CVS ]
> | Questions, requests, and bug reports about the CVS versions of Emacs
> | should be sent to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org rather than gnu.emacs.help
> | or gnu.emacs.bug.  Ideally, use M-x report-emacs-bug RET which will
> | send it to the proper place.
> `----

I know this passage very well.  But in my opinion it'd be good to
ask the big audience whether it's a bug in Emacs at all before I
post it there.

Tschö,
Torsten.

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Re: Strange "boldification" of letters

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, May 10 2008, Torsten Bronger wrote:

> Reiner Steib writes:
>> ,----[ INSTALL.CVS ]
>> | Questions, requests, and bug reports about the CVS versions of Emacs
>> | should be sent to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org rather than gnu.emacs.help
>> | or gnu.emacs.bug.  Ideally, use M-x report-emacs-bug RET which will
>> | send it to the proper place.
>> `----
>
> I know this passage very well.  

Is there a good reason not to honor the request of the developers?

> But in my opinion it'd be good to ask the big audience whether it's
> a bug in Emacs at all before I post it there.

The "big audience" here is about released versions of Emacs.  The
development list are - well - about development versions and changes
to reach the developers are better there (although several developers
read this list/newsgroup as well, of course).  In your case, the
problem already is/was under discussion on emacs-devel, as Stephen
Berman pointed out.

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Strange "boldification" of letters

[Torsten Bronger]

Hallöchen!

Reiner Steib writes:

> On Sat, May 10 2008, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>
>> Reiner Steib writes:
>>> ,----[ INSTALL.CVS ]
>>> | Questions, requests, and bug reports about the CVS versions of Emacs
>>> | should be sent to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org rather than gnu.emacs.help
>>> | or gnu.emacs.bug.  Ideally, use M-x report-emacs-bug RET which will
>>> | send it to the proper place.
>>> `----
>>
>> I know this passage very well.  
>
> Is there a good reason not to honor the request of the developers?

If I know for sure that it is a bug in Emacs, I honor it.  In this
case, I found it totally plausible that it's Gnome which is to blame,
or some other layer between Emacs and my flat panel display.

Besides, the above formulation really is unfortunate: "Questions"
and "requests" should only go to emacs-pretest if they actually mean
the CVS version.  However, 95% of my CVS Emacs is the same as the
last released one, and general Emacs questions should go here -- no
matter which version I have.

Tschö,
Torsten.

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Re: Strange "boldification" of letters

[Joel J. Adamson]

Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

> Hallöchen!
>
> Reiner Steib writes:
>
>> On Sat, May 10 2008, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>>
>>> Reiner Steib writes:
>>>> ,----[ INSTALL.CVS ]
>>>> | Questions, requests, and bug reports about the CVS versions of Emacs
>>>> | should be sent to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org rather than gnu.emacs.help
>>>> | or gnu.emacs.bug.  Ideally, use M-x report-emacs-bug RET which will
>>>> | send it to the proper place.
>>>> `----
>>>
>>> I know this passage very well.  
>>
>> Is there a good reason not to honor the request of the developers?
>
> If I know for sure that it is a bug in Emacs, I honor it.  In this
> case, I found it totally plausible that it's Gnome which is to blame,
> or some other layer between Emacs and my flat panel display.

In my last reply I forgot to mention that I had the same problem using
various window managers, none of which included Gnome (Metacity).  It
may be a fonts.conf issue with Dejavu/Bitstream Vera fonts.  Try turning
off font-smoothing, or a different font.

I also had problems using Dejavu in xterm.  In other words I don't think
this is an Emacs issue.

Joel

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Re: Strange "boldification" of letters

[Joel J. Adamson]

Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> writes:

> Hallöchen!
>
> Reiner Steib writes:
>
>> On Sat, May 10 2008, Torsten Bronger wrote:
>>
>>> I observe the following effect with my Emacs 23.0.60.4 on a Gnome [...]
>>
>> ,----[ INSTALL.CVS ]
>> | Questions, requests, and bug reports about the CVS versions of Emacs
>> | should be sent to emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org rather than gnu.emacs.help
>> | or gnu.emacs.bug.  Ideally, use M-x report-emacs-bug RET which will
>> | send it to the proper place.
>> `----
>
> I know this passage very well.  But in my opinion it'd be good to
> ask the big audience whether it's a bug in Emacs at all before I
> post it there.

I didn't consider it a bug, since it was a matter of font choice.  I had
that problem in Emacs from CVS on Slackware 12.0 using Dejavu fonts.  I
switched to Terminus and everything is razor-sharp now.

Smoothed fonts got me hooked on Emacs from CVS, and now I don't use
them.  All the other features keep me using it, however.

Joel

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Pediatric Psychopharmacology Research Unit
Massachusetts General Hospital
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Re: Strange "boldification" of letters

[Stephen Berman]

On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:32:11 +0200 Torsten Bronger <bronger@physik.rwth-aachen.de> wrote:

> Hallöchen!
>
> I observe the following effect with my Emacs 23.0.60.4 on a Gnome
> desktop: http://www-users.rwth-aachen.de/Torsten.Bronger/emacs.png
>
> As you can see, the letters "i" and "r" to the left of the cursor
> (and the preceding line) are much bolder than the others.  I
> achieved this by pressing "up arrow" and "down arrow" many many
> times, alternating point between the "n" and the "o" (so, the
> right-hand-side neighbours of the bold letters).  By doing this, the
> letters became gradually bolder.  The typeface is "monospace-14",
> the cursor is non-blinking.  As you can see, sub-pixel anti-aliasing
> is switched on with Gnome.
>
> Only some letters are affected.  i, r, x, s, k, w, as far as I can
> see.  But "m", for example, stays thin.
>
> What's going on here?
>
> Tschö,
> Torsten.

See the thread on emacs-devel beginning with
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/95458

Steve Berman