From: Oliver Scholz <alkibiades@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken?
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 19:34:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ullxi4q51.fsf@ID-87814.user.dfncis.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 39d9c156.0305070815.6d4bfaa@posting.google.com
bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) writes:
> Jerry Kindall <jerrykindall@nospam.invalid> wrote ...
>
>> > On the Mac, HIG is the local custom and therefore it is only
>> > reasonable to expecrt that any foreign application coming to Mac land
>> > can will respect the native customs and accept them as being normal,
>> > while its own foreign customs, although they might be accepted, will
>> > remain foreign.
>>
>> No, you've got it backwards. When you launch Emacs, you tell your Mac
>> "I want to travel to Emacs-land" and implicitly accept its foreign
>> customs.
>
> In other words it's a gateway/compatibility application. Fair enough,
> I don't necessarily have a problem with that view, but the issue
> Mr.Scholz raised was purely about my choice of language when I
> referred to Apple style keyboard shortcuts. Therefore, my response was
> only supposed to address his objection to my chosing the word
> "normal". It was not meant to suggest that anyone can conclude from
> this that the Emacs shortcuts are wrong or bad or inacceptable.
>
> The point was that on a Mac, it will have to be permissible to call
> Apple style shortcuts "normal" without being flamed for that choice of
> language.
[...]
To clarify: It wasn't only the use of the word "normal" in the sense
of "what I expect when I launch an application on Mac OS" that
provoked me to write the article you are referring to. In this sense
"C-x/C-c/C-v" are indeed normal on Mac OS.
But I do have to admit that this was not necessarily obvious from my
posting. And I do have to admit that it is a possible interpretation
of the actual words I chose, to read it that way. So it was my fault
that I didn't really explain what I meant in the first place.
Oliver
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-05-05 6:00 Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? BK
2003-05-05 10:44 ` Piet van Oostrum
2003-05-05 20:03 ` Barry Margolin
2003-05-06 2:39 ` BK
2003-05-05 22:16 ` BK
2003-05-06 13:49 ` Piet van Oostrum
2003-05-07 15:09 ` BK
2003-05-05 10:45 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-05-05 21:52 ` BK
2003-05-05 22:50 ` Niels Freimann
2003-05-06 11:05 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-07 18:02 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-05-07 23:16 ` Emacs on Aqua (non-religious please) BK
2003-05-07 23:20 ` Barry Margolin
2003-05-08 12:07 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-05-08 13:24 ` tristero
2003-05-08 14:40 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-05-05 22:39 ` Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Henrik Enberg
2003-05-05 22:45 ` Barry Margolin
2003-05-06 2:03 ` tristero
2003-05-07 14:51 ` BK
2003-05-07 15:17 ` Barry Margolin
2003-05-07 23:48 ` BK
2003-05-08 2:16 ` David Eppstein
2003-05-08 19:39 ` Barry Margolin
2003-05-06 8:33 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-06 13:58 ` BK
2003-05-06 14:45 ` Jerry Kindall
2003-05-06 15:16 ` David Kastrup
2003-05-06 15:41 ` Barry Margolin
2003-05-07 2:11 ` Jerry Kindall
2003-05-07 16:15 ` BK
2003-05-07 16:40 ` Phil Stripling
2003-05-07 17:34 ` Oliver Scholz [this message]
2003-05-06 15:27 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-06 16:07 ` Oliver Scholz
[not found] ` <m2issoavgw.fsf@owlbear.local>
2003-05-06 18:01 ` Barry Margolin
2003-05-06 18:28 ` Andrew Choi
2003-05-06 18:57 ` Ajanta
2003-05-06 18:41 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-06 19:12 ` Phil Stripling
2003-05-07 12:05 ` BK
2003-05-07 12:23 ` David Kastrup
2003-05-07 17:38 ` BK
2003-05-07 20:04 ` Gilbert Harman
2003-05-07 11:35 ` BK
2003-05-07 12:09 ` David Kastrup
2003-05-07 21:16 ` Ajanta
2003-05-07 13:41 ` Alan Mackenzie
2003-05-07 19:28 ` BK
2003-05-07 21:39 ` Ajanta
2003-05-08 1:05 ` BK
2003-05-08 2:28 ` Ajanta
2003-05-07 18:54 ` Suggestion to BK Ajanta
2003-05-07 11:01 ` Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? BK
2003-05-07 11:18 ` Phillip Lord
2003-05-07 11:33 ` John Paul Wallington
2003-05-07 19:48 ` BK
2003-05-10 20:00 ` Kai Großjohann
2003-05-07 11:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-05-07 13:27 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-07 20:04 ` BK
2003-05-08 7:18 ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-08 19:42 ` Barry Margolin
2003-05-08 21:55 ` Björn Lindström
[not found] ` <mailman.5689.1052308519.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-07 19:49 ` BK
[not found] <mailman.5694.1052313577.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-07 14:00 ` David Kastrup
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2003-05-07 14:10 niels freimann
[not found] <mailman.5712.1052338208.21513.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-05-08 1:47 ` BK
2003-05-08 7:50 ` Rainer Joswig
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