From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Issues with emacs Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:32:18 +0200 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: References: <87bokbb4zw.fsf@gnu.org> <83086e1d-d66a-4e0c-95a7-92d10a6de7e7@f8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com> <87r4t3krun.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> Reply-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340735569 30337 80.91.229.3 (26 Jun 2012 18:32:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 18:32:49 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 26 20:32:49 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SjaZE-0001cl-CR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:32:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57430 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjaZE-0001Dn-77 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:32:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59717) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjaZ4-0001Ct-2z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:32:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjaZ2-0007vq-3V for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:32:37 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34455) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SjaZ1-0007vD-Ow for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:32:36 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SjaYx-0001CU-5o for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:32:31 +0200 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:32:31 +0200 Original-Received: from rileyrg by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2012 20:32:31 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 X-Message-Smtp-Method: smtp smtp.gmail.com 587 rileyrg Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oSdvaTDW7I2KixS5Dvd8nfHgO84= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85488 Archived-At: notbob writes: > On 2012-06-26, Tom wrote: > >> But it's also a possible that a skilled developer could make a >> permanent living from developing Emacs features. > > Does emacs REALLY need MORE features!? It's already so complex, now, > as to seem almost unfathomable to many. What emacs needs is some are features supported out of the box by other top end editors : proper syntax/semantic based completion and code navigation that works "out of the box" (cedet one day I hope), mixed mode editing (a must despite many purists sneering at it)and decent java support to the level of eclipse. To say its already too complex is silly. You only need to be aware of the features YOU need.