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From: "Jody M. Klymak" <jklymak@coas.oregonstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Cool and Useful LISP for the .emacs file
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 14:17:36 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <uk76bu8lb.fsf@coas.oregonstate.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.11.1068237562.2005.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org


Hello Dan,

Dan Anderson <dan@mathjunkies.com> writes:

> 	Of course, sometimes one gets stuck in a rut or paradigm and
> forgets how to leave.  This should not be confused with difficulty
> programming in it, but trouble adapting to new habits.

My point was that the rut occupied by C, python, perl, etc is wide and
shallow compared to the rather narrow and deep rut occupied by lisp.
I'm not trying to say that lisp is a bad language, but, adapting to
new habits takes time.  Having to jump ruts is an obstacle to those of
us who do not choose to invest this time.

I wonder how many more developers there might be for emacs if it had a
more accessible programming language.  And I wonder if being wedded to
lisp will have an impact on emacs' future.  Certainly, for me, it
makes casual dilettante hacking for my own uses difficult, whereas I
can usually muddle by in a piece of perl code.  

But perhaps your sentiments are correct - maybe the litmus test of
having to learn lisp keeps out the riff-raff and leaves emacs to be
developed by the dedicated "professional programmers."  Maybe that is
why it has remained so successful and the quality of what is out
there so high.  I'm just trying to point out the point of view from a
longtime user in the trenches.  

Cheers,  Jody

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-07 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.3343.1068146343.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-11-06 23:45 ` Cool and Useful LISP for the .emacs file Kevin Rodgers
2003-11-07  4:10 ` Bruce Ingalls
2003-11-07  9:08 ` roodwriter
2003-11-07 16:58   ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-11-07 18:35     ` roodwriter
2003-11-08 18:01   ` roodwriter
2003-11-11 10:48     ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-07 11:27 ` Gareth Rees
2003-11-07 14:06   ` Adam Hardy
     [not found]   ` <mailman.3403.1068214062.21628.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-11-07 14:28     ` David Kastrup
2003-11-07 16:54   ` Dan Anderson
2003-11-07 17:19   ` Rob Thorpe
     [not found]   ` <mailman.0.1068227823.2005.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-11-07 17:45     ` Jody M. Klymak
2003-11-07 18:20       ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-11-07 19:37       ` Dan Anderson
2003-11-08  1:28       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]       ` <mailman.11.1068237562.2005.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-11-07 22:17         ` Jody M. Klymak [this message]
2003-11-08  1:22           ` Jesper Harder
2003-11-08  3:23           ` Kin Cho
2003-11-08 10:34             ` Artur Hefczyc
2003-11-08 13:20               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2003-11-08 20:06               ` David Kastrup
2003-11-08 21:45                 ` Artur Hefczyc
2003-11-08 22:02                   ` Artur Hefczyc
2003-11-09  3:20               ` Kin Cho
2003-11-12  5:15               ` David Masterson
2003-11-12  8:12                 ` Matthew Kennedy
2003-11-12 18:21                 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2003-11-13 19:54                   ` Artur Hefczyc
2003-11-23  8:08               ` Tim X
2003-11-08 23:15           ` Joe Fineman
2003-11-10 15:59           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-10 20:58             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2003-11-10 21:00             ` Burton Samograd
2003-11-11 10:34               ` Alan Mackenzie
2003-11-11 14:32                 ` Jesper Harder
2003-11-11 17:00                   ` Burton Samograd
2003-11-11 17:00                 ` Burton Samograd
2003-11-11 20:04                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2003-11-08 10:15         ` Oliver Scholz
2003-11-08 12:03           ` Orm Finnendahl
2003-11-08 14:09       ` Ole Laursen
2003-11-23  8:02       ` Tim X
2003-12-07 15:56       ` Kai Grossjohann
2003-11-07 18:09 ` Reiner Steib
2003-11-07 18:37   ` lawrence mitchell
2003-11-08 17:06     ` Reiner Steib
2003-11-07 23:41 ` Edward Dodge
2003-11-10 16:04   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-10 21:17     ` kgold
2003-11-11 10:43       ` Alan Mackenzie
2003-11-11 15:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-11-11 15:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-11-11 17:35           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2003-11-12  7:25             ` Lars Brinkhoff
     [not found]             ` <mailman.197.1068625639.2005.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2003-11-12 10:22               ` Colin Marquardt
2003-11-12 11:15                 ` David Kastrup
2003-11-12 13:47                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] <E1AIRNX-0002YI-H9@monty-python.gnu.org>
2003-11-08 22:01 ` Joe Corneli
     [not found] <E1AI57v-00032q-9p@monty-python.gnu.org>
2003-11-07 14:31 ` Joe Corneli
2003-11-06 19:18 Dan Anderson

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