From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Unicode and text editors Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2024 20:48:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: <86frmyf83q.fsf@gnu.org> <861pyif205.fsf@gnu.org> <86wmgadmd8.fsf@gnu.org> <86r06hewie.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Heime Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7936"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 08 21:48:41 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tKOCn-0001tc-Ds for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 21:48:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tKOCS-0002k9-Lf; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 15:48:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tKOCR-0002jt-3q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 15:48:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-106103.protonmail.ch ([79.135.106.103]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tKOCP-0002aY-Ex for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2024 15:48:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1733690893; x=1733950093; bh=QUr3yTPWFy2A4MHtb+kyfHRXYdS4d69y8MelPmGO3W8=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector:List-Unsubscribe:List-Unsubscribe-Post; b=ts9danc7DGMMQ2Av2FXGjLCD0w5A8P8BMilFFD11fF/dfp4g3ssJAFQmftzR6Xn1w S1New5r6/4eXRZ7CZlBgNoApTQSkruCBU6+tZzydfUTS82s3I8lkziGYx2kbMrivKi JAGAfOASkmeu3g2JVRnXxF94ZMtaFNgE3bPGC+Gyfc1yp/bHblKKn+cx5FNpd5FJpz LX+VAjkjRIifctRpeymvywfkqqHm1bKQ9rjblSZauiVtEOVmgG7sOp0bYBBtFeDh1b opbTEOo7GkSA7+g7iWi8/xGBR8IlY9nHKRg34GAH+l1cap0lVwK7IttGQpEVKo5OrP QBWLFtrNmfQvw== In-Reply-To: <86r06hewie.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: a4ad2f5d1d16d709ff79542207d41f655155c0f4 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=79.135.106.103; envelope-from=heimeborgia@protonmail.com; helo=mail-106103.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148709 Archived-At: Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Monday, December 9th, 2024 at 8:43 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrot= e: > > Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2024 19:39:55 +0000 > > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > On Monday, December 9th, 2024 at 7:07 AM, Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org wr= ote: > >=20 > > > > Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2024 18:55:52 +0000 > > > > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com > > > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > >=20 > > > > > I was talking about Emacs. Your original question was about other > > > > > editors. I'm not familiar with other modern editors enough to tel= l > > > > > whether you should or should not worry. In particular, I don't kn= ow > > > > > how they recognize UTF-8, and am not sure that Emacs coding cooki= es > > > > > are supported by them. > > > >=20 > > > > Is it reasonable to expect that UTF-* characters are recognised and= supported? > > >=20 > > > Reasonable? yes. But the problem is not trivial: Emacs itself not > > > always recognizes UTF-8 reliably. So there could be problems. > > >=20 > > > > What is your school of thought regarding emacs? > > >=20 > > > I don't understand the question, sorry. > >=20 > > Should we comfortable use UTF Characters in source code when using Emac= s? > > When there are problems, do they usually get looked into and fixed if p= ossible? >=20 >=20 > If you are talking about Emacs, then my recommendation is to always > use a coding: cookie. Then it's 100% reliable when Emacs reads the > file. What would one have to do exactly?