From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: My emacs was upgraded and I am a novice again Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:02:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190797406 8813 80.91.229.12 (26 Sep 2007 09:03:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:03:26 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 26 11:03:22 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IaSnh-0004CK-Aw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:03:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaSne-00016t-8P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:03:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IaSn3-00015O-AS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:02:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IaSn2-00013y-1Z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:02:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IaSn1-00013Z-EB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:02:39 -0400 Original-Received: from nitzan.inter.net.il ([213.8.233.22]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IaSn0-0007b9-QP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:02:39 -0400 Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 (IGLD-80-230-106-243.inter.net.il [80.230.106.243]) by nitzan.inter.net.il (MOS 3.7.3a-GA) with ESMTP id HWY14473 (AUTH halo1); Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:59:30 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-Detected-Kernel: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:47868 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:46:49 -0700 > > > > M-x icicle-doc RET mail S-SPC mode line > > > > > > shows all doc strings that match both `mail' and `mode line', > > > in any order, as completion candidates. > > > > So does "M-x apropos", which is part of Emacs. > > Not at all the same (`apropos' does not even use completion, of any kind). > Likewise all the other vanilla Emacs `apropos-*' commands. Read the rest of > the behavior I described (no need to repeat it). If you still don't > understand the difference, read the doc I pointed to. There is no relation > here to what you get in vanilla Emacs. I thought we were talking about searching the doc, not about completion. If completion makes a big difference, how about adding this feature to Emacs? > Had vanilla Emacs been able to do what I described (or equivalent, with > equivalent ease), I would have pointed to vanilla Emacs. IMO, we ridicule ourselves if we send users to unbundled packages for documentation commands, especially when the user, like the OP, wants to locate a feature that is part of the official package. Emacs is a self-documenting program, so every useful feature related to documentation should be an integral part of it.