From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Byung-Hee HWANG Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [OT] Reading Emacs Tutorials Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:32:38 +0900 Message-ID: References: <877i2qg5tj.fsf@kobe.laptop> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1237134830 31937 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2009 16:33:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Giorgos Keramidas Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 15 17:35:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LitIm-0006OX-UC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:35:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58250 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LitHQ-0004lP-Oj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:33:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LitH2-0004h8-C1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:33:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LitGx-0004ZZ-19 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:33:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43351 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LitGw-0004ZG-RV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:33:10 -0400 Original-Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr ([155.230.157.93]:2620) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LitGv-0002Ko-Qf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:33:10 -0400 Original-Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [127.0.0.1]) by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82843E68; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:33:03 +0900 (KST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=izb.knu.ac.kr; h=to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=ujuk; bh=VMAxw8PbLN8+w1mASdH+ZbZWFrXXH2BVxfX9t95xXko=; b=kHPxxtQVg9g7 BGUtgDr5sTy56BJ3bGQykfV6evbxOok/HmOeh00JbT2hk2MsYzLB9gpRS6kjcpHZ QGVWYQmP347EbShOh1JVfQa0xEMDyIJdiVVallcDnfb5TnwzE/KkonogOWxqwYUz X+LH726Dy1o9zVwjKvdIuwGZYSe2A5Y= Original-Received: from chrys.izb.knu.ac.kr (chrys.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:5f8:3::1]) by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF783E36; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:33:02 +0900 (KST) Original-Received: from ujuk.tao (unknown [118.129.178.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: bh@chrys.izb.knu.ac.kr) by chrys.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4D21CCF3; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:32:38 +0900 (KST) In-Reply-To: <877i2qg5tj.fsf@kobe.laptop> (Giorgos Keramidas's message of "Sun\, 15 Mar 2009 17\:32\:24 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:62934 Archived-At: Giorgos Keramidas writes: > On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:18:59 +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wr= ote: >> Because naturally i'm not patient, i cannot read the tutorials for >> long time on anchor to chair. Is there somebody like me? If so, how do >> you become to the power user on Emacs? Without reading Emacs tutorials >> or Emacs howto. >> >> Nevetheless, i cannot give up Emacs study. Really i like Emacs for >> now. Can you please help me about that? Without fall behind, i wish to >> stand up line of power users after about 3 months. Please comments! > > I just took my own pace and rhythm. Emacs is a huge program, so it is > pretty normal to feel overwhelmed by its size and complexity. I think > it is safe to assume that nobody can learn _everything_ about Emacs in > less than 3 months, but do not let this deter you from trying to use > Emacs and learn more about it. > > You can start with small editing tasks, i.e. by setting Emacs as your > editor for email messages. I initially had my Emacs configured as the > editor for mutt(1). Starting a new Emacs instance for every email > message seemed a bit slowish, but it also provided me with a safe-belt: > when I did something stupid inside Emacs, I could save the message or > kill the buffer, and restart the email editor. This way I wouldn't feel > afraid to try new things and commands. > > Using Emacs for editing my email messages was a pretty big step, because > I usually post 10-50 new messages every day and I spend a fair amount of > time inside my mail reader. But `forcing' myself to use Emacs for this > sort of work made me realize that I needed to learn more things about > the editor, to become more effective in my email editing tasks. So I > did. > > Every time I learned of a new Emacs trick, I tried to apply it to my > everyday email editing sessions. I didn't read the _entire_ Emacs > tutorial in one day. I didn't read the entire manual in one day either. > But I did read parts of the tutorial and the manual very often. I spent > small chunks of time, and let them accumulate over time to what must be > now several hundred of hours of manual reading. > > The important thing to realize is that you don't have to read the > *entire* manual in one go. Learn how to look things up in the index of > the manual, become acquainted with `info-mode' and how to navigate the > manual by using keys you are familiar with, and let experience build up > over time. > > HTH, > Giorgos Giorgos, i saw you at FreeBSD Project's mailing lists, nice to meet you! Carefully i read your message from mail header (by t) to last signature. Really you would be my role model as an Emacs user. Because i like your posting style (bottom posting) and i like your posting route (via newsgroup) and you are using BSD-like UNIX which is my favorite OS currently.=20 Your words give me some courage i can study Emacs over a boundary of time continually. After read your message, i decided to start Emacs study from handling Gnus itself. Thank you so much, indeed. =20=20 Sincerely, =20=20 --=20 Byung-Hee HWANG, KNU=20 =E2=88=91 WWW: http://izb.knu.ac.kr/~bh/