From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Emacs i18n Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:02:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874kctcb97.fsf@cock.li> <837dhp3uqg.fsf@gnu.org> <2114291.0jFjTtfV1S@galex-713.eu> <875yx8bquz.fsf@zoho.eu> <87lf633wc3.fsf@zoho.eu> <87czrcdysr.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17067"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, moasenwood@zoho.eu To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 21 19:03:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m6FdM-0004Fk-DW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:03:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36490 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6FdK-0008EV-M8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:03:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6Fcd-0008EM-4w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:03:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:44483) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m6Fca-00039z-Sy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:03:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1626886946; bh=uKV4sQTGpzwCA9uGDTsCtio7dansxItYzwKkPKyU7Kk=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=LpQQtQ+qAyA2h4IdVRatxfgOlx2u1/VEftfWCE5gV1FsI8TyMUAF4Hb+oB1FH8/xk CMiH4iX5udbTEdSOEuELgqjhYhBEDnJt/g5aw9QP9FGLaz+Vxz1KQzqHHW2zRPvo8w S0/ZsmLJJ9a0f59EjD1pSkk0L+ppjOCMA3HU11ts= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.40.31] ([92.251.40.31]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs16.server.lan [172.19.170.184]) (via HTTP); Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:02:26 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:d6g0oAlm0GVIvp2qxKYXROrFpvk5SVHicwBVRgNpsVZMIQspApXrlPjS+e88hlq2wn9qi fDu+UX/44BPqy6ani5hJlsRKQbH65ykMX45yWrTF5g8b35EEvEMkJXAa5VN8zNCYuK94vgfuwzY4 FeV33h2I3P/foMEMyZUZ6s3lyniPibwaZi+rM4vRjL2IJEfygWLKK33PxR9V6/nVdw5qdmpcyp/F z3+jUvc7nUQYta4l8YqgCpg1a7XMpiFnMnqLPNnnriQFWkO2ZRN74PazFGTSn2Hn6YPbpU+PksL7 EI= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Qltlw+KuFUY=:TvWKrBjSgBeb34NYt3uBS9 wlS+RaEBXorFpePpj7AGbBOCDQLBqEQOy6O5IjO8nEOvIIeqCa2yoGROsMv9DyqGvjwmuj6ET itxxg3DM2D8lFyAhYYDStcR4i2nBec/dFQhhRD8OuQXRNuZt1y16oSmzxh/6SMdwUJV9nNe+E Dz52VhgOoJdrdrZv3IVZuKpcjyJNCkUgtKMAdEKhvYXTzqK/Q9amy23wWOP0ViRD7mL/k8pXO mBkP0IJkD1DsbM97ONDNVO03CUIHqVbBQeJmZD3nnVqqbt6kT/5JzpLENs1TnHMsQ2/Rat7q7 ZZl0Mn1HUXlhQqvmLCK6B/pqq5OBUnegoHDIyOI0RfiQB2/koeJOsI68evSx5CiND1P0VkoYt 0qeR4FsQWzP6iwGDdzk4AZIJTL71VVAfzUvVifDeCDh+lxnjg2cDPh8uG7QtCa6zBd+GCI4PJ ehBYdXb4S0mVvmjRUSH59SaJitnsEx2YhT0ZgLvh/vYuBx66nEnaMwMgJ7HYJgTbusNcoNokM 2sFZfInW8zDsMLS5GThWni8DhaWbyetYA4lRgQZA67BK6h3s+zl0bAZVHLrZCXxwT5y3dwyHL 2fU0GF82aEgSWkIL1Z3PPO5ZPV8bq20AW+u2929mvcyGTWnZKktTqahJ8xDKiSMRsDCUbME9K +8YSvT4cswmYBsm/91GaZiFG273UvUAbB0XecdMbpaDkYOYa1SbnyNFsF10g6zIHbwfRS0rcD 423Qtn2pjMAor58Kj9QL7Gp00giaKD+qfWLpl1fEBgA49AjmMIr6quEgmDsCBI3k9xDkhhnp Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.20; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131961 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 12:56 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, moasenwood@zoho.eu > Subject: Re: Emacs i18n > > * Christopher Dimech [2021-07-21 11:29]: > > > > And all over the world, a lot of students who do not feel > > > > confident with English treat the lack of available > > > > translations as a significant hurdle, or even a barrier. > > > > This would not solve the problem of doing real work. Nobody > > would care about that piece of software if not written in english. > > To contrary I think many would have benefits with software written in > their language. > > > I wonder how we never got any programming languages not in the > > english language. > > Here are some references in the list: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages > > > Because all those people were either living in the United States or > > the United Kingdom. > > Because the computer science is based in English countries. > > > Could be that the French are still in denial in accepting such fact. > > They were the original developers and authors of computing > > technology. > > French based programming languages are: Logo, RoboMind, Catrobat, > AppleScript, ALGOL 68, GOTO++, Linotte, LSE, BASICOIS, SPIP, 4th > Dimension, so that is all from the above reference. > > I find the idea of translating programming language very > important. It is the same problem of translating english publications to other langua= ges. Rarely happens. Although the best works almost always get translated, bec= ause there exists a market for them. The Adventures of Pinocchio is best :) Alice's Adventures in Wonderland Andersen's Fairy Tales El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha The Adventures of Asterix The Adventures of Tintin Harry Potter Bhagavad Gita The Diary of a Young Girl Winnie-the-Pooh Pippi Longstocking The Alchemist The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn Nineteen Eighty-Four Isha Upanishad > And not that I find it hard to implement: > > - I would use any programming language as the starting language; > > - Any description defined would be defined in chunks so that automated > programming works better. For example names of variables would not > be names, rathre pointers to ID of the variable which then has > entries for each programming language; same for functions and other > objects; > > - Then one would generate the language in the starting language; > > - If translated it would be generated in the other language. > > - I would demand more literate function naming; > > Translation would speed up computer level knowledge in many other countr= ies. > > > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ > >