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Have some > >> > examples and beginners will get more productive using it as they > >> > delve into new things. > >> > >> I guess it's not mentioned, because it is not necessary, and at least= to > >> my knowledge, most people will be using C-x C-e (eval-last-sexp) and > >> C-M-x (eval-defun) in the *scratch* buffer. Using a REPL, when you ca= n > >> evaluate any part of a buffer seems like a step back to me. > > > > I think ielm has more features than just plain evaluation. > > > > The one I use most is `ielm-change-working-buffer', which is massively > convenient, and not documented anywhere I can see. Seems there exists a need to document it, because people do like to use it= . > Robert >