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envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140076 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 at 7:48 PM > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Morally equivalent > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 09:44:15AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Akib Azmain Turja > > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 10:49:16 +0600 > > > > > > This should be: > > > > > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > > > This is almost equivalent to (setf PLACE (cons NEWELT PLACE)), > > > except that PLACE is evaluated only once (after NEWELT). > > > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > > > Why not just "This is similar to"? > > Back to topic, yes. It seems that this phrase is too jargon-ish to be > easily understandable to everyone. > > > > > Anyway, I enjoy occasionally finding things like "morally equivalent= " in > > > Emacs. > > > > Yeah, it's amazing how much noise can an innocent phrase cause around > > here. > > Documentation is hard, after all. Quite right. Let us not forget that for years, some developers have regar= ded certain programming terminology - most notably 'master/slave' as problematic. For= example, there was a push a few years ago to remove those terms from Python documentation= , which led to much heated discussion. Dismissing university students, those having muc= h on their hands only read what is actually useful and quick. Today, there is much more to= read than a lifetime to live. If education avoided wasting thought, one could easily = compress those 21 years to 8 years. The circus of morality does not lead to anything.