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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Cycle Org Shift Select
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 11:17:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-ab01a762-af17-4aa3-a491-0a47d026977c-1605003441957@3c-app-mailcom-bs07> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201110080829.GA11023@tuxteam.de>

Many thanks Tomas, have gone though the Elisp Manual yesterday
and I am getting to understand this list Ouroboros thing. :)


> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 9:08 AM
> From: tomas@tuxteam.de
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Cycle Org Shift Select
>
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:49:33PM +0100, Christopher Dimech wrote:
> > What is the meaning of the '.' in '#1=(nil t always . #1#)?
>
> This means that the last cdr in that list isn't nil, as "decent,
> normal lists" (aka "proper lists") have, but a reference to something,
> in this case to the list's head (#1#), which you have taken previously,
> in #1=. Making the whole thing an Ouroboros [1].
>
> In box-and-pointer-ish, the list '(nil t always) looks like so
> (WARNING: psychedelic effects guaranteed when using variable-pitch
> fonts. But who does that, anyway?):
>
>   +-----+--+      +--+--+      +--+-----+
>   | nil |  | ---> |  |  | ---> |  | nil |
>   +-----+--+      +--+--+      +--+-----+
>                     |            |
>                     v            v
>                    't          'always
>
> Note how the list ends with a pair whose cdr is nil.
>
> The dot notation allows you to fill both slots of a pair (car
> and cdr), thus putting something other than the "link to next"
> in a cdr, creating an improper list; the reference notation
> (that #...= and #...#) allows you to take a ref at some place
> and use it later. That's what your above monster looks like
> in box-and-pointer:
>
>         +---------------------------------+
>         |                                 |
>         v                                 |
>   +-----+--+      +--+--+      +--+--+    |
>   | nil |  | ---> |  |  | ---> |  |  | ---+
>   +-----+--+      +--+--+      +--+--+
>                     |            |
>                     v            v
>                    't          'always
>
>
> So if you run *that* list along (by doing cdr), you'll run
> in circles, over and over again. That was this device's
> intention, anyway, if I followed along correctly.
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
>  - t
>



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-10 10:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-06 15:23 Cycle Org Shift Select Christopher Dimech
2020-11-09 19:12 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-11-09 20:13   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-09 20:26     ` Noam Postavsky
2020-11-09 20:31       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-09 20:37         ` Noam Postavsky
2020-11-09 21:08           ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-09 21:19             ` Noam Postavsky
2020-11-09 20:40     ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-09 20:42       ` Noam Postavsky
2020-11-09 20:52         ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-09 20:53           ` Noam Postavsky
2020-11-09 21:20             ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-09 21:25               ` Noam Postavsky
2020-11-09 21:36                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-09 21:45             ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-09 21:49               ` Noam Postavsky
2020-11-09 21:50               ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-09 21:59                 ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-09 22:49       ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-10  8:08         ` tomas
2020-11-10 10:17           ` Christopher Dimech [this message]
2020-11-10 11:10             ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-10 16:37   ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 17:09     ` Drew Adams
2020-11-09 20:10 ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-09 20:35   ` Christopher Dimech
2020-11-09 21:18     ` Michael Heerdegen

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