From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: pietru@caramail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Toggle appointment notification Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 21:23:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87h7p4ky4y.fsf@web.de> <875z5jiroy.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15326"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Michael Heerdegen , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 03 21:26:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kkvBO-0003tJ-Tw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 21:26:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42894 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkvBN-0007sj-CN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 15:26:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38840) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkv9R-0007sa-Rk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 15:24:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:48687) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kkv9P-0005yd-OH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2020 15:24:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1607027034; bh=mXqfbIxhzNvEaAb+Le/JgVA1qBMz+u0Pr6IpGYGqEYE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=hqwfmj59+YYs2WDaCetrYzDUXCAkqo6K52nebT1n3Foy1P1mrIRu1BosVqO+InJkj fjlfvZ7cH1mbenEDg77LOfkuzbqrlz2kxuAwyUJCoe1u9iVAJ8lkLoc+CEg0iTRwy/ GxuwJV5+slwNGZmSpIzy9I6pypWcqGQ9v1ZV1iLc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs11.server.lan [172.19.170.179]) (via HTTP); Thu, 3 Dec 2020 21:23:54 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:THSXe+z3zLOcojlVRTpwHk5Y77MhTZueo4Euw6DBf+jG3fMHOYEolDAYF2GKfGHj2ogFP m9MAIhnfjuqQPDf9fYD0DIU++YcLL7CjoNs9G4xy5c4vXTbWJg8PULKDL38Xi6Kx91X4tgLoQDtg VIlUs6QL/0WkbcLCvs8ddSmyfUUAU6YSCODGYKprtvbO6oBTgkZ3a05OIIhK2HuZegYRAatm779K +3QdIw5ysNZDLi0QUut/PaVzFuBmfsIaLlJqJ6HrHiQxwcQXcA+7ltYtEXngv8ApyZdJQ/wtLNu8 Rk= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:5xGTMHVwbVA=:rSr5WDvv1DrZYDVYkcd+HU cAbPh2av02IAtD/mxoathXEjtq7rYrmDsCIBD4Cio4PX3PbvmOBbIrY74/LUJ66+IJNI7rFeg 0BBxSqu2oseG7nE9UiUF9G+1JCVfYBwr+kUAz4vyyGQ58IO8FmaTIAkGLkVP1TDTjVC03AD02 vO2wJtux6sImp7Vr4XaAp6808g8BQPPDpUyCFf/dnzhO2zZx6N7LqOVOund+b+smCPw/QccWg WX1Orm8K3OKVZqeMRi7BEVmMBlEjJomKtHiZJJxbJQYtYJSP8U9SfFsME1avp1Zq+H/ZST8l5 25nLiaVzGuxUr5B+2yzZ6IkXLFkuglzTcTJSazfk9lpxGselseSveemxkGbRNSIutPwKLPqNg C/+gBhmDCD/5WBmotOImF+IKMRUvhByDMkHn7anV1IthDhZ3Ael4JFW5QrqZg3EVoH3dYdqbC vAfabGtxGUiS044cvHeNmWy0ljlTXEI61L5afk58A/z4H5hJpmGk0RlbYp3EpMvlysaMqEOZQ qjbi3AJpHQtMeoBw9i6V5wmIDHlzc40I9ORCnJHKWMlyjpVovqxZBuTESokkJdmhUfOnjVzTS kdl6FDgfim6wg= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.18; envelope-from=pietru@caramail.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125909 Archived-At: I am not pleased with the roughshod approach by Gnu Support that gives Gnu= a very bad image. Please do not address replies to me, but to the list. Totally sha= meful and unprofessional. Pietru. > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 at 8:58 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: pietru@caramail.com > Cc: "Michael Heerdegen" , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.o= rg > Subject: Re: Toggle appointment notification > > Software features may influence those human methods that people > implement themselves to better or worse. > > Many good useful features can be developed by looking how "others" are > doing. By thinking in advance "how is this feature to impact future > thousands if not hundreds of thousands or possibly millions of > users". > > It is true that I sound general here, that is because I am sorry for > many users who encounter Org mode but end up in the jungle of > procrastination. Emacs Lisp is powerful language and may be used to > integrate it better for users and help in improving collaboration > between people and groups. > > I have given many specifics on the other mailing list of Org. I feel > with users who spend their time in learning a tool to become > organized, while there are others who learn not longer than 5 minutes > and already know what is to be done. > > This is because their software is logically and practically organized > with useful user interface. > > Then I have got quite an impression from reading of Org list that > people are wasting their efforts. When goal is to organize project > execution, or to know what is the agenda then is fine to discuss about > that, with or without Org. Maybe Org can improve by looking how others > are doing. Maybe people can improve their organization by > understanding the ideal situation. > > One specific that Org mode lacks is "people" as most important focus > there. It tries to be relational to people but it does not offer > structure of relation. No, org-contacts package cannot replace what I > am thinking about it. > > Centralized Emacs based contact management is what Emacs need to have > as foundation. BBDB is not doing good job there. I know it maybe since > 20 years. One other user lost people contacts on upgrade of BBDB and I > remember this happened to me with few contacts that I used it back > then. > > I would like Emacs to have GDBM built in or other database. The > PostgreSQL dynamic module is coming to GNU ELPA, developers are > working on it and I am using it since its inception. Before I was > using pg module, which stopped working. > > I am using database backed people and contacts management through > Emacs and I am speedy and fast, and hope that we can make some > difference for the future by introducing at least concepts that people > may adopt and integrate into future tools. > > It does not matter really how, but "people" as database is first > foundation that Emacs should have, very robust and possibly built > in. Then it is pretty easy to upgrade the foundation with "groups" or > "organizations" or "companies". > > We have calendar but we have no people. Hmmm. While tools as such as > interesting as hacks or amusing programs, when making them, one cannot > expect there will be nobody to criticize it. Or that we should not > criticize it. > > Unless I live alone on the deserted island using M-x calendar, any > calendar is not fine in computing environment if there are no related > people to it. We do planning with people. > > When I say "foundation", I only refer to core design of the structure > of contacts and organizations and not to any integration. If the > structure and core design is well made it can last for future > decades. At least my structure is already for decades for me working > without changes. > > That would be blazing quick access to contacts and organizations. It > would be easy to refer to contacts, something like: > > (contact-first-name id) > (contact-middle-names id) > (contact-last-name id) > (contact-full-name id) > (contact-country-1 id) > (contact-country-2 id) > (contact-phone id) > (contact-cell id) > (contact-fax id) > > When contacts are there, then the Org mode's demand for contact and > relations to contact would be fundamentally solved. Instead of > entering per file few settings, users could simply assign a heading to > specific contact. No writing, just semantic access. Something like > "Joe, Guayana" would inject the hyperlink into Org. Share to contact, > share to assigned contacts, share to groups, send task to group of > people, or single one, share by SMS, initiate a call, do the real > work and real collaboration. > > Or maybe I am just alone here who is writing tasks for groups of > people and assigning them, maybe all other people are just writing for > themselves and like to invoke 50-100 key presses to inform the > assigned person of the assigned task. I like 2 key presses. I like > when I have 77 tasks that at one key press I can inform all of > them. > > I will send here to this mailing list proposal on how people database > should look like, and then I hope we can discuss that and make one > good foundation for future of Emacs users. From my long year > experience I have also some features that I would maybe make little > bit different. > > Then based on people and organizations we could build relations from > other software to make life easier. > > Jean > >