From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Quote by Knuth Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 23:34:03 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87o8bgg6br.fsf@zoho.eu> <20210705154121.GB6395@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7045"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 06 23:35:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0sin-0001cT-I8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 23:35:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49792 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0sim-0002HY-28 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 17:35:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59558) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0siK-0002Gx-Bc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 17:34:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:54633) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0siH-0005vf-Ry for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Jul 2021 17:34:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1625607243; bh=dTFjAz3BbnCjrY8inMStRQ1mffcJL1KHUeoTIG/kn6E=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=ITk0E/JQrNrFPABunGzyg9Fyck+t1q2YIH3f3ZPsmDH+8GGN9xDc7ftNnPc3g/HVq 1b9mXvZnswF75wd0/Hn3jYknMbJY6BOf/brV+NaiJsnc76sibQLgkSlPVCbGs7uyDm is3+gQ6qABjkcbI0yJHujPNnVX+2MgTuBj24fJtI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.40.31] ([92.251.40.31]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Tue, 6 Jul 2021 23:34:03 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:tfV2Gk/zhxWiNqBQ8JTTpX7tjEBGpH1IRybCosNlCnQJtG5RBz6rf8YCOeHtX1ISFRVx0 RdI+1x+j1antopn4XiiaQwFr/KWXCArgkEstvcL1tt40WxuhMg8+yXrjIVILYsCrsFYQfnI6MLBZ MqC3EoZWY6oiUa8L0srde8m2mN9Ssh5Si+Vuf1/DpIhK+RgY5n5qw1xofbj48x4Cg+qJfltz0wg4 qdXfNE7UMqRSFO0KONWC7iMISJold3pBDRhopylarxnzUhg+zifruGWRMVPzkQjmQ13PiPkw7NND 4g= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rYnvOwIMz8A=:Y915aMXVNloR5YNHrD9u6v D+uGuFYsGrEqOa+VmlIFLJjZKlqbvf6cwsw7CBonK7w23ckHekbY9XBd/7GvHehLD6ZbfH0Dk ixobKFmhXV5pyq6Hhdjz08pldqYnjNRCGyUoTQMwqiLGJycrIHYtjbelJp90jEHYPZwna3aJX Vqa7CgFqO06e9lru9CkLU8r69oQ8AzxvjTitJ3yaQXESbPPumz3pVYZ8/zfR5F2WijUBPJA5r xjDlEKBvawKQZs6Lbzn4NAt5jCpz6PvrlQ4hzgkuxoZMtcB3+sOi/iMSTMaBixkldxMXI6Ime 4RshkGJv2xX0M1Z34hsVP509WJybDDCbut1rzOcT2uAn86KgcARgdEtE9Dd146G1i0rhGKaws HWmD5bzuaJKWAUdYUH1NlogV0ndkKzXgmSmFKLEwHegorgxGJ8jVaFNsiCeC99nYQJqLg1mz7 u4FaoJDAmC6Dypv2ztgsKM1uu9YA3JBYD5YYkhXr83bAF3TQEiC4NoBt3uCsznzqmtGLbVL1Z yBFvOY66H7XBaGVZ3NSoeg+pBbFFxX04Qtipu8wgtOziOWclwYHrhjM2vW/uTHUCYK8nnhsbF DoczHRGChyrQVSCDtDBI/3c3XJXbirSvG1MlmbWrnCmaKt57qMOu1bXmhy/0dApGqDdDyBVtC KAeNj9YMRXo7tQgVdYqTmM0+9DySOOoJcoqtBxuM9WLPBxicVfEFEYDlYIDKkKyhvIHopJJGt E6gFkxPBHyMfqCVXWG6ZQJ/9wjmXfxi7Ux0rZ7u8HDytaFNY51WXFxWU8E5ZF8ZxRIdrMUXF Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131601 Archived-At: > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2021 at 7:51 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: tomas@tuxteam.de > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Quote by Knuth > > * tomas@tuxteam.de [2021-07-05 18:42]: > > There's at least one wise person who put that exactly the other > > way around: > > > > "Programming is the art of telling another human being > > what one wants the computer to do" > > > > -- D.E.Knuth [1] > > Maybe Knuth's quote is related to literate programming. Maybe it is > related to the resulting program and user's view of it. > > It mentions "another human being" and not "another programmer" > specifically. > > It is nice to have quotes. > > It is nice to remember that quotes apply only within specific > contexts and that there is no absoluta. Knuth was wrong on so many things. I understand what he means, but literate programming is not the way. Have got Joris van der Hoeven - author of texmacs - fuming when I criticised him, because I did not do the same with Donald. I'm doing it now. Still, Knuth did a much better job making tex, than Hoeven doing texmacs. In this regard, texmacs is a very disappointing implementation with a syntax that no human being will find useful at all. At the beginning of the computer age (1970) when the long-known algorithms were first put on computers, they turned out to be highly inefficient. Therefore, a large part of the work consisted in revisiting classical math= ematics to make it effective and to discover efficient algorithms to implement. > Programs are made for people, users could not care less how is program > really written. They need not know it. > > Theoreticall background may be so much distinct from practical > application. > > Majority of applications today are for users and their life, business > or entertainment. They care less of what we theoretically speak > about the underlying program. What they want is functional software, > and users often don't even know they are running "software", as terms > changed so much. They may call it by name, like "Open Google" when > they open any kind of browser, they may not know what "browser" ist, > etc. > > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ > >