From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Quote by Knuth Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 19:57:08 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87o8b4eiyr.fsf@mbork.pl> <87y2a8ecck.fsf@zoho.eu> <87k0lsdsaw.fsf@mbork.pl> <87eebweq7y.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6104"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Emanuel Berg To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 18 19:58:07 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5B3G-0001L5-R6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 19:58:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37824 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5B3F-0005uZ-Og for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:58:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46774) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5B2u-0005uL-CP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:57:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:49681) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5B2s-0005o1-6S for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 13:57:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1626631029; bh=OH5m2tNOmHINY6Y9+n8Xb5gSCKFy7X2mS73x9jiEDSc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=kRedo2t1GYZ7jJ0596E71MTYml/L3wOGV4xD/SD7yjDbvScJML3RoGGRPeFvHD4Yj 0l+rpo2/UvzOq8ItznEZXHTfDZFd7/KgS07ratHnyGJfr4Is6MsTigBilyDDlHaBWR 8uTGm/jeuA6PHxYLsl6tnGiSlx+7Q3fRQYKWpyYM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.40.31] ([92.251.40.31]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs09.server.lan [172.19.170.177]) (via HTTP); Sun, 18 Jul 2021 19:57:08 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Rv6wdyPKyNSax1S+Pnt+girEn9XLWb/9ltZUaBwAWvIpxRspetCPUkkokw17FWWOufHCo GSNnN5TrhCFWWbBODu/TSOOXRuNHUDpXf43AgYdYbdHdrRQncyyN9Xd6wjKDZ4499Iu76SVclkET yJcUpov0jVHBniSNPugYfvlYgdgRmXn296kEM6J8KVn7t7gvui40UQJjBcETutJ9QCzcCtjYlIpq CgR3z/xDJdWu3snyaaSx05kHMG/16HEP6uDQ42v5ciLXArstLp9A0TsFI2C6TC7GhdNBGSajv9hg xs= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:CQ+hX5MehNA=:Zm//aw4ZsGoMZ//9yW9MJo 5vG8HU0tF75J7+0RZAElBDL45EtrSVklxKHDYBfQriI7Q38NuzcP1VuJUge0QVI7y9Aq1TEDx EzTHsog74QJFaH3/i3HSBkIAg6heTjvwW0PE6Loyf+K6m1oJusrtIa0Ju9e34YdUEc/eAzI2+ RPUTDcslKCv7lwpd0pdNX2YnHFTw2FNyj/OJZRLt50IuJZSm5D7yzwQYEYyO4o14asKZMplCZ YphdbiIqzmjfzCFn/gZDYE+ule8dTgnegEM47aczK9qSvosTa5kmNISxJQwZnKjPprB7gOlB8 nUTjpqmlWH10ANi8MCe89Upzv0dFzPZunzB3WqVJfPsaKhfEPlBeWRtfpf/OWi7RHlSVJ6UQW TFiSz2FKoakO7ypWP4pq3Cvwfov4GcKkvcZyhI/hlEzuz9nP2+oLi034+eoj8xv3hNEPr4cfI Od+C0axcfzIo8cKxSDUXnZXiwOxlQrvTJ0ZcMPl+gOffdhcyrFEDTp8fldfZV/fEBIrVrpgOl 5XoofbgIKZJHPff5jsM1zucFNIYgwUcIdSRLfgCR4/BPkVvu/Y5LQ19k/3Hg/JbiLvXRiw3KD ++XUbNWaSAL5oWAxr18impiRmweTZRjGsyeGsBlnUSOhW8ocDX41bA/tIGMqxZkfJ4BxujE/I UWdb+42FJSCSZxIJ1QSYOM43NHXYSPy1WB6m/lrb7YPo06i8hp7rVPyCc3+2uwVLRyhnuPHKF TMR5hAlAo3YVZrhghq3W72oxSQDKGjpLyDu6fnRBVttFyF/HKmQR2TyBqF5smatoMXPIIiyw Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.18; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131831 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 at 1:41 AM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, "Emanuel Berg" > Subject: Re: Quote by Knuth > > * Christopher Dimech [2021-07-18 16:18]: > > Knuth is over-rated. He did not invent anything. Mathematical type-s= etting > > had existed long before Knuth. Today people have became obsessed with > > typesetting, even though the most important thing is the information w= ithin > > rather on how nice an alpha can be printed. > > When I see this email, I can read it as I know the expected format and > I can quickly read and grasp. When I see typographical errors in a > document which is so often the case with people using proprietary > Microsoft Word, I tend to slow down and get as if author did not put > attention on correct writing then it also influences > understanding. Small things do matter and help in faster reading and > thus faster learning. Without it, the information within one cannot > easily understand or one may get difficulties. It just happens that I > receive various applications written that way. Then I think if author > did not put attention on proper writing then which other numbers are > also neglected? This indication discovery method happen to be true all > of the times. When you see serious formatting mistakes, you should > know it is a tip of the iceberg. It does relate to literacy. > > > > Project has been programmed, it is finished and years pass, now come > > > the new generation and that generation of people should be able to > > > understand all details of the program in general. That understanding > > > would come from literate programming. Most are only interested to fix something or add something rather than und= erstand it. Used to work at a number of companies using software that nobody understoo= d mathematically. I was the only mathematician they had, and I have to tell you that my work= was secretly being funded by public money through some shady deal with the british gove= rnment. There were a few small companies that developed math composition software = before tex. One was Science Typographers, whose program was used at tho American Mathe= matical Society for about 20 years. > > Mostly they trash it than trying to understand. That happened to > > me. Simply gave up and done things again as I understand them. > > Is this because they rewrote it in other programming language? Mostly because they got their own system and know it very well. It is con= sidered waste of money to have someone spend more than a few weeks going through a= nother company's code to understand it. Basically they keep a copy somewhere, bu= t in the end almost nobody ever looks at the takeover code of other companies after= acquisitions. The programming language is not so important, but how things work together= is. > Why not recommend Emacs Lisp? It is quite good for many office tasks. > > > -- > Jean > > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www.fsf.org/campaigns > > In support of Richard M. Stallman > https://stallmansupport.org/ >