From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 10:23:56 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87pn419aha.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <20201126160013.GD28931@tuxteam.de> <20201126182734.GA5175@tuxteam.de> <54331aa0-6a9a-4809-9f2d-88deee31558b@default> <83pn3zp8bu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28701"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 10:26:00 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kia0t-0007JL-U1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 10:25:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54522 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kia0s-0000mt-ML for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 04:25:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38210) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiZyz-0000mQ-6Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 04:24:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:46875) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiZyx-0003Xq-1H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 04:24:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606469036; bh=7ruNHYP/BoK2hk+O9w3kq3RG7mdj066/8T86aw2Gyos=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=W+sV6mxxB6WNRaHrGdSmmWItZFV2O6JdD7vlAn66xM2/uAxLQa6QWIurxye1JJb8U nXvHFLjM6bLUmv8JE6x+Drg2eHIyLt/oRxWVu5GBa1z7idUT21DtorZl0sL+M3EsWV 0l4ZFVrsyKaRe1dmwJ2uqF8JZDlmhkp+Jz9140qU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs02.server.lan [172.19.170.129]) (via HTTP); Fri, 27 Nov 2020 10:23:56 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yA2jFHAczN/WD13tH+aQQyqJzf3bu5p5TdmohV0I4cmhMyrqnq6sM/FlezQeh841Om+n0 SIQpS1mScgzI/CpexVo+HRNEgb72IOtBdub/13ooX9LXFajprwMYEo7xn2Je8yn2d1JKzw8rqZzQ T0Kxgp0XTwfX4lqkCLLnoUk81Z/c4wl/2YS4Pt3GmcYDsf+cesLfZkcV3OsOT2mLxl4M+ELifSry 5r0x0YoanEFlQgPaAv7Feq/MTjSb0e7bc1SabbwtET+eYKSGcZ1IuXNSbTjLHyktsinSciI7wj45 PY= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:YWokkaEUtLM=:lTzq1SSAD/gIfikqREjWh/ iBZvnKaHXZhXT2bUZwhP9MW9UaEI1cedknqtuXjC/DUk5x2YC7fb7suPOGSivJUdaRWzPDAiM gG6t42ZVtKURb+vK45yaMIiJbXp5GasEnh9cOiaLhdmUMLCy/KWp3pYdUwJ7VWOyTNlsQ5gEC dSja+kYJO4lOPq4MAbelHGR5PaJWyFRWYjiuE8IXnCaow2+7dFXApbr27x2eo/23xaoQC+8gU XRsNhMSRtENND0FWDVghvnCinxGb58kTeycqpFpRiaSnhAptdJdeu1FABvPKkrwZQJoMBawip 3JrVDsD8E37zr9fSN3YkKYgD7LYthnHIliA81Ibxp4k+nF84UUYia44JEf1uubfQ3rcJiIG7l rvdwxglkJyubzqbP5NAp1wdV4SQ4wrh9dUGjS+fECYL8ZswBKo2AEqbfjDUXefKRxYlqrjAbB K74bk/cjdF0oVsrP6FdmngCmnLfHsKxEzqp+fdfglj8DSH4OH2r8vSPbOXrf+yOHpLJcRrfru mGpjx/Nnoq86GR/+JtNBLJTf8B/2h7+iouaIp/w7ePoPdYmr/OgcORELHr9KcRok4hhABzYyf Fws8nKseGSgRU= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.18; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125657 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 9:51 AM > From: "Arthur Miller" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > >> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:28 AM > >> From: "Eli Zaretskii" > >> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >> Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > >> > >> > From: Christopher Dimech > >> > Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 01:47:08 +0100 > >> > Sensitivity: Normal > >> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >> > > >> > The manuals should be rewritten because they are incomprehensible. > >> > Perhaps it was good in the eighties. It continues forever. Consid= er > >> > "face customisation" for instance, which just means font. Nobody > >> > fuckin reads a manual with 17 nodes. You don't know which one to u= se, > >> > which commands are most useful, and so on. The problem gets compou= nded > >> > because every esoteric command is there. > >> > > >> > You are just insisting on something bad and inefficient. > >> > >> Fair warning: if that is your attitude towards our documentation, > >> please be aware that there will be some people here who'd refrain fro= m > >> helping you. We don't work for you, so if you refuse to help yoursel= f > >> by becoming more proficient with the extensive documentation features > >> in Emacs, we cannot be expected to hold your hand forever. > > > > It is well known that some at Gnu cannot take criticisms when others > > try to read what others write. I am a writer by profession. So spare > > me the "Don't work for you" defensive approach. > I already hinted you that you could hire a professional writer to clean > the swamp for you. Why do you think I told you that? :D > > Nobody here works for you. Not Eli, nor everybody else. > > Believe me, Emacs documentation is not the problem. You maybe are > writer, but you are certainly not a programmer; otherwise you wouldn't > ask how to start a Java application :-). We all have strengths and > weaknesses; your strength is obviously not programming. Nothing shame in > that, not everybody has to be a programmer. The programming craft is in the source code. The documentation is to help understand it. Could be even harder than writing the code. It makes a convenient listing if you know what you're doing. It's not always the fai= lure of readers.