From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:51:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87ee3p4xn4.fsf@zoho.eu> <6365757.nJ7RtekbVj@galex-713.eu> <87fso47mzt.fsf@yahoo.com> <5568043.OSE0SheIR2@galex-713.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25702"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Alexandre Garreau Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 27 10:52:40 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nOGEK-0006Wz-RA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:52:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39274 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nOGEJ-0006fi-6D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Feb 2022 04:52:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35264) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nOGDf-0006fZ-7j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Feb 2022 04:51:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:39471) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nOGDc-000629-LK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Feb 2022 04:51:58 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1645955510; bh=Ep+b8Acb1furtJNfnZas9ILm28N2/AKXgL79fXgAOec=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=Szcsj+UCjF8m3mZXZa+xbVxye2XwJxRkDzleu10py1pdn3QaS0rg7/FvpCWYq6I2h r4xBgrAVbsFo4pwgVfDZOYHIF+oKQE+ocm6XxK9dTQZ8BhCPjVN1h8KkFYZd+woi7w MAxF0nQKQ7ac+7Hu9IBf4HnpdaHuqH3xNQnKwyms= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.127.164] ([92.251.127.164]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs09.server.lan [172.19.170.177]) (via HTTP); Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:51:49 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <5568043.OSE0SheIR2@galex-713.eu> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VjQ3jprvx6SIMPQuZA5mNsHb3SzeqdiqV480iMguWbon9c5fif6K1HmpaB9+Pz6sx856y wh/WB3KIKbEIUIWlKwsjNVZikHXJNMgsZjDm0wWks3pYAF8l2KvV6iMPweXbAE4YxrBF3COS/Lxt ikE7CTM6+MS+V/8gHYrW4o6DJYMoX9x32MKx5nSm3KgvHfnsGj6YJJmTVUicdJeuKM7zm4VUs1wz OWDdc/v27vU0KWGTkmXtYJ7sc2ZIU4d0h44GB+PTtEGQFb7oADnb9dojR87iu8gjCwg5v9zhRX6j gs= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:WKuRV2Oy8qY=:jjCZFcdDy4i096dATfuZdO k+Cy76uHiCLcYNSJoA1kXjQ1FSt0vjxs0rVXPz36t4TvDt5PnQYXn2yYHafJP2PAYdkNVStOE N+aWkx6z6bshdO9bDHweG3k2ywfMYRtsmPNn2/oYSBmRC0/ZBo6MQ72Nc03WWxlDKzgSDFjNL D2/wnxnsIY7Yffw+wHsqFBT57thjmLc5mSBy2ZZM2VgnharzNM/0d6U/VNzImDXz0reyispwc boubYAR9svBJORwzwggoLwm9jwBTYNwORQidN/G63CDip4vFsdMn4OzDjgG3OvGLqEvx2OBrZ wEVPLRystNxuBpO1NHwzZjnttyl5MCTpolSkuOyQA3rj5S6j4G3BOjMMW+yaA+CNVZTHOU7pM c08W8o8kubyGzkHdjk6oblQaJ+U0CcPgzuXzsb4UqRhpKbB19DQnGS9Vwq8EN0b73zAWrlKqK oLUNTysVQOgh5cHvfyy0qUZkxnWirERRa/afCkstQ7GLJFqAyVqAFKrKb5t35yadzweS1g9wd nvyaFzEsurtqZjs3YJ8ljktjnisiZ35mMLv1uThdiGwwiy/LYlRh6Nc2NEsArro8xE1pj5SLK gcqlzj0kEdNXQbm13gjwQSLFsKt7c3PVnmfktA76CKGUgTCvnhKR7APSaFSnsYDVlFYO75T7P NIS1Y5ymfADg4poxI6nf8oPNkpwb1YwMRsApENxEqnrkdeYLEGNReLWzeWJSOdlTWGmNvrVtS reR0FzA4q11H5H0PKCUqyItdoxzTh2Ecuf32Ljlc9DM/1uvZnMHLClRc+0qXzd77jX7KzAht Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:136248 Archived-At: ----- Christopher Dimech Administrator General - Naiad Informatics - Gnu Project Society has become too quick to pass judgement and declare someone Persona Non-Grata, the most extreme form of censure a country can bestow=2E In a new era of destructive authoritarianism, I support Richard Stallman=2E Times of great crisis are also times of great opportunity=2E I call upon you to make this struggle yours as well ! https://stallmansupport=2Eorg/ https://www=2Efsf=2Eorg/ https://www=2Egnu=2Eorg/ > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 8:53 PM > From: "Alexandre Garreau" > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu=2Eorg, "Po Lu" > Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine > > Le diman=C4=89o, 27-a de februaro 2022, 9-a horo kaj 5:42 CET Po Lu a = =C3=A9crit : > > Alexandre Garreau writes: > > > So I propose to abandon the topic, unless some webmasters or > > > maintainers have desire to follow the consensual and comforting tren= d > > > of putting their flag anywhere in sign of support=2E That=E2=80=99d= be in line > > > with our ideas of freedom=2E > >=20 > > The GNU project doesn't have any political opinions aside from that of > > the free software movement=2E I hope that includes not taking sides o= n > > the conflict in the Ukraine, or otherwise I will not be able to contin= ue > > working on Emacs=2E >=20 > Why require so hardly such neutrality? I mean other projects did so by t= he past (like=20 > supporting uyghurs or dunno, other geopolitical stuff) and that doesn=E2= =80=99t stop from software=20 > freedom or contribution=E2=80=A6 to me that=E2=80=99s alike people stati= ng anything personal (like =C2=ABi like=20 > pasta=C2=BB, or dunno) or humor or what in projects: at least it makes i= t (nonpermanently) more=20 > personal and identifiable, maybe it even can increases contribution=2E The Chinese Communist Party is avoiding criticizing Russia's invasion of U= kraine=2E It is therefore unsurprising to encounter such propaganda here=2E=20 =20 > > Also, why is this on help-gnu-emacs, instead of emacs-tangents or some > > other more appropriate mailing list? >=20 > very good question, although unfortunately your statement, being more po= licy targetted, is=20 > likely more appropriated here :'D >