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>=20 > I have actually seen this expression used in a similar manner > in what is supposed to be a serious mathematical textbook=2E > Grimmett & Welsh, in "Probability, An Introduction" state >=20 > "A slightly different but morally equivalent definition of a > discrete random variable is a function X : Omega -> R such > that there exists a countable subset S =E2=8A=86 R with P(X =E2=88=88 S)= =3D 1=2E" =20 It is just political nonsense pushed into software=2E An introductory textbook for beginning undergraduates is never serious=2E And even if it was serious, morality does not work=2E Either it is equivalent, or it is not=2E There is no morality in it=2E It is hypocritical to scold users on how they annoy maintainers with their bug reports, whilst no being bothered by the confusion and waste of time caused by authors themselves when writing nonsense in the documentation=2E If it was only about humor that is comprehensible as such, that would have been fine=2E