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Stefan like all of us, should learn from his mistakes. > > I think the bigger problem, rather than Stefan's ability to learn from > mistakes, is to find people actually trying to improve the > documentation. Right. But I would say that the easiest thing is to write better document= ation (in source) as you are writing the code. At least that part should be goo= d. The source documentation is the biggest strength of this system. > It's easy to find things that are not perfect. If you want to help, > search for bug reports about documentation and work on them. It's not > more fun for Stefan than for anyone else. Discussing that things are > not perfect is trivial - that's clear to _all_ of us. All of us know > that. We need more people to do the work, not people to remind and > discuss that there is work to do. > > Michael. The documentation is getting longer and longer. And many people do not ha= ve time for that. They require shortcuts. From my experience, besides maintainer= s there should be designers. So that in future, people would require less knowled= ge rather than more, to achieve a task. Competent designers almost don't exist, thi= s has always been the case. Look at the documentation for latex, always gets wo= rse as time goes by.