From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:07:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: <54331aa0-6a9a-4809-9f2d-88deee31558b@default> <83pn3zp8bu.fsf@gnu.org> <20201127160216.GA27998@tuxteam.de> <20201127175346.GB27998@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35304"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 19:09:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kiiBM-00095l-76 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:09:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54102 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kiiBL-0002ci-04 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:09:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35366) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kii9h-0002cW-N1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:07:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:55747) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kii9f-0001Rh-Kj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2020 13:07:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606500448; bh=wo04fW0EadmukVZsglU9ub3HPAfPxuvmAB3LYd65uZg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=Pg91bOmbl9tT4iB5zg5S2b4uccABNnduDRqgl/zx74rGncPJtoyO4hMP2qqog4rxJ lbheLmF7dqeSaHHeNq6sDHIq+vdNAB3dFesDLrtVC+FkNQnaZsx/n3SDthWp970pWp TmIHVjkvxFIRcQ++NL3jlEcTIPRdh3/o3ZYNTwhc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Fri, 27 Nov 2020 19:07:27 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <20201127175346.GB27998@tuxteam.de> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MdocopHw64zA2LvnmfYXrdiP/exCg4V9LWf9lf8Fcp7bn/I0QgNTISkmDlaYqxLnf3vlo +t8ZfXhVCYVNeiS+kVI2IfeT/ysdHfk+IZQ/qNwWcJju4hmvIP4yjwRiaBr2ffcHThVsUt0emsdU aBSi5tHLRoygrWmMy6b77nSSScrlGmGQWqZkVt3EUQ132Lvkk50mJeW2rCMob3zgJiBN5ANcbTec 8ZWRkFoXH8NEN7VEL6Tm8UvtUHJMSCNu93ykM/vJDndtGtVbbC0b8ORcpPNZ911TmJJzNjM/JRq8 nY= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ofjaZdugmYg=:TjvTpCGeauxBhyTM7fjTqY 9o+BQ06chL3XC3m5gbSovsGo+AfXQXGpDLsfbh2KWJTrRW75AeAqjzv3IzcMgkNxKdZzanti7 kpNCfrUlLhVDOXuLrBl0YPRvcxll00uoyNuwJgR4HNod7z1f0qNG95B8A3u0E0wutLF6hVeGN R+d6vTXaLTFjgw2a/8YsABJmkw1MqVi2w9C1DOsoPBm7jhxCvjXOR6GUejPdA8Muu+yLKCE8C P6WU1Bfv83dRSQg+vQgs/Xlz8iXA6ejoZnV/i4PI/JfldnpXsmXy/LtmupJnTUUdXQKxdoEdr u+lIepP7uHaWWWpeA2EcjwE6/pKoGqUA2msYPoRDPo6HKqdXcPDcU7ILuLHaV0kJve0GeRIcM lObTKgLJLoigtdwPRXn0LAAgJoWxk1kvVMY11qE5PUDLo2e0ue5GyPY/5uWXNs9xpXb4HZjjX zOIDs+HTtRAixHGX+kBESOcHzpzYCBsddc2w+cHXzn6NlPpIIIWutV6fhRtUe2bqTL23cYFTr ZedCx+DHnj5Y/4KKW+Tdm+gO+4Z+4aWs1QrO67VmIyt/r47HnsPxKDFdiVyNT50OFZpKu1KeD +Inxgzy433APQ= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125677 Archived-At: > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 6:53 PM > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 06:41:44PM +0100, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:02 PM > > > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > > [...] > > > > > On that last sentence that is so. It is not always the failure of > > > > readers [...] > > > > > > Most definitely not. > > To clarify: I think trying to think of this as the "failure of some > person" is an error. It's a failure of communication. > > > But when I find myself paraphrasing (badly, at > > > that) what's already written in the manual, I've to step back and > > > ask myself whether I'm doing anything wrong. > > > > You tried to explain it better, but think the wording in the manual > > described things better. > > This was my realisation, too :) > > > Nothing wrong about that. Thank you for > > trying to clarify things. Also, there is nothing wrong with giving > > up. I was just saying how it was for me, that's all. > > I'm not giving up. Just stepping back to think. Your input helps, > appreciated. > > > As more people get to use emacs, what was adequate before, becomes > > inadequate. > > Sometimes it's just difficult to wrap one's head around things. > "Local" variables with different kinds of locality is one of > those, but they are there for a reason. Life in Emacs without > buffer-local variables would be way more difficult. My experience has been that as I got to do more things in emacs lisp, the understanding needed quickly exceeded my rate of learning. One can get to sophisticated constructs, even when trying to do relatively simple things. You never know where your original plan could get you. Many times the importance of a work is not measured by its consequences (i.e. by the final command). > Imagine the mess a complex mode (like CC mode) would be if you > always had to consult some buffer-bound data structure instead > of having buffer-local variables disguised as "globals". > > Imagine the organizational mess minor modes would be. > > Now my head hurts :) > > > Many things will change and people would want to use it > > in different ways and at different levels of sophistication. A > > possibility could be not about writing more, but organise better. > > > > After all we want that others are pleased with our work. > > Definitely. > > Cheers > - t >