From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Placement of list within an interactive clause Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 00:53:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14063"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: carlmarcos@tutanota.com, Help Gnu Emacs To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 16 00:54:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oCUCb-0003Xi-8K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 00:54:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56804 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oCUCa-0000hb-8v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2022 18:54:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58054) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oCUCA-0000gu-J9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2022 18:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:34641) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oCUC8-0000gU-Uj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2022 18:54:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1657925603; bh=auO3rjNxGzqcisyzAakfQ1WZTLSJPUF+Gu75M+ktok8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=GnYjvE0Ggw6M8KWjt4V4Fiq82cUieo/rkVu4oruqIfCBh+uWROF4XtrvxKNyFpdYd ttfw4bGtv+GDP5Y7w4Nbxf5lYDcPS6YfZNbaP5xw8fI8Hd8AeaKoCfk0XIOLx8klSc 8FN0K7WTdVMw8qL9MkP/FYRhiyDJJAKY9arsTQWI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.127.164] ([92.251.127.164]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs16.server.lan [172.19.170.184]) (via HTTP); Sat, 16 Jul 2022 00:53:23 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:usGBOAV/K3NSqQ4RpPb3WV4StsnZ6NoJmdra5gsRz9LsIa9LWdjpPfnn2tby+ISLxQsT6 O3/wrYSxRrUEKlE2yi+C81xoh411nokOZMc0gHhWYtmMhPPDHILPV7QzgyhpFvarEjMNQHC4sl6t +bqr0mt+DsPxSFT0Sg+nv6vtcZFLOJ1boRWSXpyZ6cIjhoVzTymuPcK3/fjGsMhgcw+7FKWUA9O0 dKRLQMxqBmxyXuKZ2zEV4LfyzsiqTIpgofzHyq3MFaxcsWAqepChzSPvM3nB6RzSPeutw2pck43r 2o= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:TXLmXWSmmsY=:QdbKGe9ytJLq/QjEAwjT0t ZAlvaSeFc1b/eO20cbdPXW6ZXWQSBJ3tM18IhPTJnSBqyscd2pj2r+J2ODihGPCAQRxfD8ckx sVXSYAO0y+X1OxTjGGKrJGuoIHm80VZaemWaM1cLQ+F7wYcuO9u8Tbj8up6ZfeIn4lCL8MfDJ zLrJhzzcH30l6TWWb5DHhAv6YLRtkioe0nbQASlU+WDZPDDdGjoGx+tsv3KnT6W1T7F4SGYTr GV50A2ICTEZRXIIO3rrlWmzBHyEQ/djuJ1AGgkFMXxXqli33xh2WjMpTrKdX22elCSZ93DKm3 tRiiZZfSjIXEF9Ya6l7T6+0+G8RVNAsOFhlUVWQ1brXERHw7BMPOIeuhcKBvwwZ5oFlaNhONS Y29SQvkBh8nLvnekIlZNy/OCnWJlkPwmgz5jCIxpb035sFWuXM0v31ZLMe8yIy6HVEj6UUXs0 hH+FeX8vp9+0pA0JJBKPfXukjAkrdVadYZpWAhgyOki5iC0ilHxGjyUWpIKKWBBdNalH5zF3B wb6WsOgnU2JtGEYOnsgGglSR8xIgEWB5m+bIRoEtxrYQvhc/8xRgv8pX2q8A6x4WGAo2QADex 2zRhpq2SGgXbe2lTGg+RogquToEfwEOi2wmdRsgpuBKBmBrUfZOHUwk8ikmq1j6GB+Pd7SkLQ 8TuHLtyUHFla3FaV3bkXEWAn9CHMcTelze33IYdaomL2ohKG2d+IVQ8hChQDfsGVRTE5s50D5 hRIgnhe2sAF014ifTrY3gbW6VGNDV0RvV1ivontlHyV5hIaAHNmCRrX0A3ouvTc20cL+4cr6 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:138500 Archived-At: > 2. interactional, interactive -- (capable of acting on or influencing ea= ch other) > > And it is obvious that definition number 2 fits into what we are > speaking about. > > If I think of who or what is "each other", maybe those are functions, > maybe screen, thus majority of functions could be said to be > interactive by English language context. > > If function changes color of Emacs editor, it is interactive. If it > influences other function it is interactive. Do we need to consider > "interactive" only if it influences human? It influences 2 parties or > things, it is not clear quite, it is "each other". If function > influences computer time, it is interactive. If what is meant in any interaction influencing one thing with another, th= en everything is interactive. The result is that the use of interactive ends up having = no value, because of its inability to discriminate anything. For this reason, interactive should represent a specific thing, specifical= ly user-interactive. Because emacs is fundamentally a user defined environment that accepts use= r input during run-time. I personally distinguish traditional coding directed towards automation, a= nd functionalities that interact directly with the user in the form of text. In this context= I do not consider taking the position of a region as user-interactive because the user is mostly ob= livious to those numeric details. > Is the definition really that what we are talking about? > -- > Jean