From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Morally equivalent Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 02:00:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87y1tfzhzm.fsf@undisclosedlocation.com> <877d0zfjqa.fsf@web.de> <87h703e445.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30297"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 17 02:02:21 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1okDaG-0007ei-6p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 02:02:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50828 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okDaE-0006l3-QW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 20:02:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43032) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okDZ1-0006kk-99 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 20:01:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:34821) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okDYw-0005xi-6I for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 20:01:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1665964854; bh=Qo+puj+gZbFmuDsCoC0nunIqst2PlQwgOkAsU4VH7Q8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=isbL9GHVT6VvXrHrcXy3ALcbBgchIRR2Ozr+ZBzTt8guKQmsrZXB7sdceoEsCGtIs NfNy6uUMlmSk24cCPYoZa/99F6kad8Y+VtNDuXFW7HrUsI3unqoJg+8c4i76OkNbEe 4NCv0QzQhoQobroz57dsKw34ryv5zNekOj9vIbC0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.127.164] ([92.251.127.164]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs10.server.lan [172.19.170.178]) (via HTTP); Mon, 17 Oct 2022 02:00:54 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <87h703e445.fsf@web.de> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MY4rDm0S97SRMDRibA3/BHysQxaZSPBo0hlW9f+T8iqjwWx70Iq+TSTiYxvtO2OgAL2To e22rvJF4+UTK6klKkN+Z3pi7chVfhLrcfdqrsXiqYlHsSrQ7oL6RXhxWofjCb65OZab6BEKaOsRs 1BIy27sYTs7iI2Ebpl+rfme2AR97Xw/wunYwrWAgn9fjB7Z+i0MpY/14Wd2WYKinBO3O0mzp+AcT TzvJXktw9Qycc0FET0t5glmFsCc6l0QnjnbndEv90pkBRjwkAEW8OnFkDCedT//sQExvNaG8HwRh Cw= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:4lPi40RNRU0=:8MYC5FPOyF1YbXZjQkeJ2Z KmFTv04vlF1sALdUCqKsT+9EhkDPhSai/9EcO/v3f6Oqz3sDNFeNsAM5cNl+OhJA5wn8rYweh JXoLAAK76cJ57ykqqBnvhFQuNbED0+np7bpedFcpCWIKADWKyi/Pfp0vhp85JADARVVNbf38t gm4aQ6zGpsOIxKavUteVwSC9w+amWMrN4sK/eYW3+neG0pONju84Xrh7+4JBxxAV5B82NkFwc BKKLsHWQLlKb/NsjXRlkHccen82zU7J3r6i5Xodwsue+6DWCSgZimtNiYkyyDm4yg4+eo1Axt qauIMN2E0S8MF7dsSmhLzAfT4IUunVc2F9eiZ9w+a7X7m4jKVO2IoX7soIV4dwXuXKyhcyfvZ 44G0OXdrTTN/Rh8HLMZQIlJbNUl/4TLxuOUIazKN+6mJv89J2t6qjWRnFMmCSO78dlsrY84K7 9ZEdidQsuLcaCi9PuPaof7ZNJmoUN7Q9LeLwyiRyGTDUk4Zbec7W6tTtQgwlDmJaUknGKjyx4 rXxXl8cqtQKzXi0e6EHsJs1Mpd6wYJslYlBTpEEfD8n+4dazhapiYySl193jYkil7yOClnrKb dd9CNIJqzV+0zSC26uyFIq8P7tXSkGCofIatK3W34vmCW9L2s/k/xtsWb8+eWBts/D82RAr3l mta4LMpzJw7/+dvX8bZ+yZuulOixZ7KCSDwAi9as1uACpReZfdXUlinf+RXYq/eZoOy/12gtc ry86/fip+f2Rbo7+4+sAqCprz19PhZde5smrtXTUpmatGpde/3gdZQru+1Pz9s2I8ZDu94dM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:140029 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:32 AM > From: "Michael Heerdegen" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Morally equivalent > > Christopher Dimech writes: > > > The problem was about the wording, if it turns out Stefan wrote it, th= en > > he is not above anybody else. The problem is that in some important w= ays, > > things are not precise. > > Nothing in human language is precise. For me it was precise enough to > understand the meaning perfectly. > > > And users do not like that. > > I liked it. Most people like it much less when Stefan tries to be more > precise. > > Honestly, the only problem with that wording is that it might make > people wonder whether it is some sort of technical term, which it is not > really, so it can potentially confuse people. > > Michael. When people start wondering whether something is a technical term, then it= is a big problem. Stefan like all of us, should learn from his mistakes. When we start getting fuzzy on the technical, I hit the alarm bells. Nobody can deny that they have been influenced by their family, society, w= hatever kind of work practices. I rise above that, by not being influenced by the atmosphere. There was a discussion years ago about jokes in code. We agr= eed that jokes were fine when they do not interfere with the technical. I hav= e seen some honest comments in the code, quite enlightening.