From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: A survey for Emacs users Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 20:54:26 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87a6w23omr.fsf@iki.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23184"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list , Corwin Brust To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 31 20:57:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kYx02-0005tX-2y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 20:57:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59098 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYx00-0003xF-0k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/31 15:14:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:124836 Archived-At: The system is still too complex for many users=2E I only got introduced to= Gnu because I met a guru who was using Gcc=2E But that was about it=2E Peopl= e don't realise how much there is to learn=2E And many don't learn anything from = educational institutions that is as useful as our own work=2E People learn informally= , which customarily leads on a rather torturous road=2E It was for me anyway=2E --------------------- Christopher Dimech General Administrator - Naiad Informatics - GNU Project (Geocomputation) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:37 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Corwin Brust" > Cc: "Help Gnu Emacs mailing list" > Subject: Re: A survey for Emacs users > > * Corwin Brust [2020-10-31 21:10]: > > I'm not involved with this survey either (other than having completed > > it); however, FWIW: I think this person will probably continue their > > efforts until something else services users who don't engage with the > > mailing lists=2E That seems pretty reasonable to me, however small a > > fraction of Emacs users that may be (or may eventually become) I > > assume we should continue to be interested in why those remaining > > don't raise their questions, etc=2E, discuss here, on emacs-devel, etc= =2E >=20 > I think people simply don't know it despite the existing pointers to > it=2E It is in the manual, but how many actually read the manual? Survey > for example does not even make that question=2E >=20 > That there is pointer in the manual, myself I did not know=2E I use > manual in browsing mode myself=2E And discover always something new=2E >=20 > I think that number of people discovering to be able to send bug > report is about same number of people discovering mailing lists=2E >=20 > Let's face it, it is 2020=2E People are more passive today in computing > than 20 years ago=2E >=20 > We get more and more Emacs users but that is due to number of devices > being cheaper or more accessible=2E Users are many and interactions with > communities out there are growing=2E But not that they are discoverable > same as before=2E At some years number of websites go down=2E Maybe due = to > social media influences=2E Who knows=2E >=20 > Reference: https://www=2Einternetlivestats=2Ecom/total-number-of-website= s/=20 >=20 > Before 20 years it was quite common to find businesses having their > own domains and emails, they were competing to get it=2E Today many > businesses rely on free email providers=2E Personal websites > exponentially disappearing from Internet, at least from search > engines=2E Even definiton of Internet is slowly changing=2E >=20 > I don't get less fascinated and occupied by time, it is never > boring=2E Yet majority is doing something else=2E Population is guided b= y > corporations=2E "Do what others are doing=2E" is pretty much the motto= =2E >=20 > 53 Contributing to Emacs Development > ************************************ >=20 > Emacs is a collaborative project and we encourage contributions from > anyone and everyone=2E >=20 > There are many ways to contribute to Emacs: >=20 > =E2=80=A2 find and report bugs; *Note Bugs::=2E >=20 > =E2=80=A2 answer questions on the Emacs user mailing list > =2E >=20 > =E2=80=A2 write documentation, either on the wiki > (https://www=2Eemacswiki=2Eorg/), or in the Emacs source repository > (*note Sending Patches::)=2E >=20 > =E2=80=A2 check if existing bug reports are fixed in newer versions o= f Emacs > =2E >=20 >=20 >