From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Simplification of outline-minor-mode Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 11:18:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: <9c45eee7b688b642cfa487ca139054a3@isnotmyreal.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32922"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: TRS-80 Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 08 11:20:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lqXu0-0008N3-8y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 11:20:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35244 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqXtz-0008Ra-2T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 05:20:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46934) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqXtS-0008RS-Tn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 05:19:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:60407) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lqXtQ-0005Pi-S9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 05:19:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1623143918; bh=zxa4ETBU4GCzx5xcFNszGtI/kYO8VV93C94tqtZmDYU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=grxTAjz4Uf3A5WMFdYUZwhs7M9JqhC0mGwsTOgi7C1JMpD+toc6uPFQmD30EYLv1y cp0Xf4NTfcZaJMft5bBZsMrgPIOhVeE7cjo7WbbkkPCiYB6fZVGTuxf9cVSqS8eS2o /4ytGQealnbNp+97A8Tqpap4SraJgJUDlacREuNU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [92.251.44.132] ([92.251.44.132]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs04.server.lan [172.19.170.170]) (via HTTP); Tue, 8 Jun 2021 11:18:38 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <9c45eee7b688b642cfa487ca139054a3@isnotmyreal.name> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qsRC8qy64Q7DZe6sy0SHP143IvaGb9Y1jHE5j8EmCSE4cEn4kPIJ+JoT8PzTaOABFICyM 8IhLXjpBKOWNOX+3DJMkFe2gDslAkr2Lxj/yMIslbisWZgr84i4qfgE7prOrVzqJBPD1a51J+fbg 6nvx1ZfBHQ8ZL/++KdzZxo5T+QczWPzabP8GU/65CNfQMIXxpENsYzw8ND8nrkAJQeDsZchWPi6+ PqFU8L1pldL2BOU3N9N8Sn/ZA6FxZU+ng+txKc/9fFceEqS6z18uT3ypmincTIp9Pcowjq5Mv6kx ck= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:f4WwjvEP3l0=:xBf2eGSNVWoUIbcQZVhtib 5SOABjRPXqu8yzPJZUr0EdmL7E+QrbuULEnACBSWLWciN4DvLnUNn8yVrgVDN/jBLjRlwMr1i 94MyWXdqcgdJywfdaFFDqqqTJEcRbocgHkqnCvV34sm/mSWu/WrWW3lKfY15wxp6U0sY92YsV X/WnBJjeeL2g1Ziw0JyF6A/evotJAjgVe7av7gt0gmHUtTXMb4y8129rc7rTKV61zEEkKhwyI rU87DFTfOzHjxHfIXRH/SAxAe7MMuh1IGJ4g0OWLfd+c4I/sexDqDfSJXUnRwzaKy6KrVhyov hMXk9VY7EP3ZVwkARdo1Hks9F+gU/VNvj7TPwtmmZ9dsMduaFn1OEl5P/X/ijEcNQ2UzeuF7e 0P/URNBSo/c1rqBIlC0l78YQOloKlMuMNbm74LXMr0pr2+BYpfjv92wQFTQ1+fg04bdafHj52 pRwQmq6v3weaRqoMtc3+Aid5wwxdAQRdGtaFiPWYWt/zNUY6O9Om74iESPWzEld4soYK914Gg uEUINYrE4MdbfDGMf3w58W46DUf874NjMoEIyyQHZ8mtMiClz/15Jg7xgsae8HrOcc1+wGf87 tOZfyNhtmQSmupLSHHkFNXt38dHtMe0//bwiqwMpxxX+b2UaTCVhLhUdCnmuLiaKiur/nmJbi 2njpsPUmJ2xiIOglP/3lv7SwW4CyphGJCWq66KIU/AIhvJp6EL83A1aL20ppe5GuSdC+lE+2C eVTnF9zvbaq105bGJ33yTHkucKh6K+S6KCWJh6Wxak2nJb+atO5WN1rgQxbqPoor6HUlagiX Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.21; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130619 Archived-At: > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2021 at 5:09 AM > From: "TRS-80" > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Simplification of outline-minor-mode > > On 2021-05-21 17:03, pietru@caramail.com wrote: > > > Could there be some consistency in outline-mode as it does get very > confusing. > > Perhaps tangential, but I recently discovered outshine[0], which I > have not tried yet but appears to be what I have been looking for a > long time now. Apparently some improvements/changes to outline-mode > to make it more org-mode like. > > As a heavy Org user, I could never really get into regular > outline-mode. For example when Beancount switched to it's own major > mode a couple years ago (with outline as minor mode; previously > org-mode was the major mode), I have felt awkward in there ever since. People tried to imitate org-mode, but the result has been of major disappo= intment. One of the rules for Gnu Programs is for them to work well together. > Just passing this tidbit along in the hopes it's helpful to someone > else. > > Cheers, > TRS-80 > > [0] https://github.com/alphapapa/outshine > >