From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 11:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <871rgd6jzk.fsf@web.de> <87r1oclvkp.fsf@web.de> <87blffzq7f.fsf@web.de> <871rgbd56m.fsf@zoho.eu> <20201130085828.GB2954@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10012"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 11:14:35 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kjgCW-0002RM-9d for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 11:14:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60600 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjgCV-0007WP-0F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 05:14:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48246) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjg8C-00059c-I5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 05:10:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:42005) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjg88-0006W6-DR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 05:10:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1606730992; bh=vZCur8AQtzJrgOqacv8qYMLroGV53atr+V2nuujytt0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=PC/GXpJ+TEcq4ZxaiqVsXIxXbdzK4mhoVAEI1sJ2OaopODI1cEeqGHT/fdM3FgdlG P7bLO3rhcvhWrEZTGk6XFAFfbhFJf59Cq1JGQBU8yTA6gg3TQH85xiuJ0bUgau7C/V S8EP5c5ruT1TEfnA+d5x83OZ1/qMOzFNVHWQOSDM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs12.server.lan [172.19.170.180]) (via HTTP); Mon, 30 Nov 2020 11:09:52 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <20201130085828.GB2954@tuxteam.de> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:FSRAllBxSk+9jC6GevyGPW0O4/9weJ5kMPHjs5j3VQV0V3KDVIk7tl3YHdkYkyoaC1l6H 8LdYAkZS03EWRNlRSKjuxxSoSRBsxeTFhBtuo3GZJ0sRINzyNUUbSK4A+ne1IkxYAKNLHP637ku8 q31I+K2FfvhjFrgtku0vypWG5U6nY+4vrSUxJI16VCk0cWyX2GTPvBX+23M7kkixU2vde0/eYTFN 88fcOuuVy1cnMAIZRr+T4L2n1X8OERfQHHMjQB2SGPyFnBoVtqz2sGdORsqhWimX9PSbxHHGg27l ZY= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Ht5iL8I5s18=:ZCBcxrYOC25QmX4U4w9IM4 PXIIWiQxB0FEbTaj0yf1ywa1Bt6kITTuBfpQZGrRJCsqYwn/A8oH2uQ/S+idOjigye6fYGAKQ 6LhaeHyPbsS6qvtUUM/wL9Mf2v4g+yRIKc/vfE98uJ88ZJuDTvZhp0g9b4WgJIkDNB7KUmxqT J4rHx+HcqfgcMt2mMe6doWtDghfNQsCce7kqm1EfpZhL52RfBKJyKd84EO6A7/h20gn7o9wIf GrGGt0D7XPHmFsSC+SmLMYifyI3xIbxJFbb7CTj/7EABOg48KSV93NvhFW6CbyJrOwUgRzFfL fxmOCQ/OlKB12x7c2kIRL03Zyh4a1+2tCgGc/0+18XJ4znGFkxL2nySYwK4QdUnX9AVemuUYf xiYynFj8kX6yhTfQ7nbadbrOVCXOyeMN1ffqYftwtSHWX/BRPv8Xye6Lgad+Kr1+FuVRG5Nvb ZVPib7W9FtQN2YsVdsJKlOKkHnZUylRTVedEzNPBJ+kfUgM2UGCkJakQgDjDCt3IxCDJQajie 7gAzuY6beda7Fzit4Rad6UXuwchQ1VPpHBsJnyXmZE1sDJMjqkqpCIUmqCg5kExuh0fUo24FM 5FRpejrbsZInU= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.21; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:125768 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:58 AM > From: tomas@tuxteam.de > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 02:49:37AM +0100, Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 at 2:06 AM > > > From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" > > > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments > > > > > > Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > > > > > The problem starts with actually trying to do something after > > > > deciding to give elisp a try. Very often this requires a lot of > > > > emacs specific knowledge [...] > > > > Like every computer system, there isn't any method except use the > > > darn thing every day and learn something new every day. > > > > Learning by doing. Sounds like an episode from M.A.S.H. :) > > Actually yes, I concur witn Emanuel here. Many human activities (and > the more complex, the merrier) involve a part which might be called > "craft" -- something you can learn only by trying, failing, trying > again. This applies uniformly to proving math theorems, cooking, > driving a bike -- and to bending Emacs to your will. > > The manual can't do this part for you :-) Correct. Still I am working on that and have included it in formal work. If Gnu work continues to be simply a spare time thing many problems will arise as we are witnessing. People can quickly make a comparison, particu= larly those working is serious settings but are interested in using free softwar= e. Thumbing them or assume that volunteers have better skills is fundamentall= y wrong. I have encountered this many times on gnu mailing list. Although, it is to be said that it is the administrators of the package that actuall= y set the agenda. Regards. C* > Cheers > - t >