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envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130168 Archived-At: > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:10 PM > From: "Jean Louis" > To: "Christopher Dimech" > Cc: moasenwood@zoho=2Eeu, help-gnu-emacs@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: Use Emacs as the IDE for Wolfram Mathematica=2E > > * Christopher Dimech [2021-05-24 11:28]: > > > > When any Emacs package is made, then the package has to be > > > > with GPL3+ compatible software license because it requires > > > > Emacs which is GPL3+ licensed=2E > >=20 > > That is a frequent misconception, if some code requires emacs, it > > does not mean that the license has to be GPL3+ compatible=2E The > > license could be proprietary, open source, etc=2E >=20 > (=E2=9C=BF=E2=95=B9=E2=97=A1=E2=95=B9) Maybe misconception is on my side= or your side, I believe it is > in your side=2E Read more ;) =20 > Emacs package is not quite same as proprietary Lisp code that could > run under free software programming language=2E >=20 > gcc is free compiler, and people could make proprietary software with > it=2E But such proprietary software does not change the gcc and not > necessarily depend on gcc to get run, but as soon as it depend on some > GPL component, then it cannot be made proprietary=2E The license only limits you on what you can distribute, nothing else=2E =20 > Now CLISP, Guile, and other programming languages may be GNU GPL > software=2E When you make a program to be run by Guile, CLISP, those > programs could be proprietary software as they do not change nor > modify the Guile, nor CLISP=2E They are just executed by free > software=2E But the overall result depends of components used in the > program, you cannot just include GPL components as you wish and want > in your proprietary program=2E >=20 > Would the Emacs Lisp program be exclusively run from command line as > run by Emacs as programming language then such program could be > licensed as proprietary software=2E But that also would depend if your > program is using the GPL components or not, which most probably would > use=2E >=20 > (=E2=8C=90=E2=96=A0_=E2=96=A0) So the question is answered here: > https://www=2Egnu=2Eorg/licenses/gpl-faq=2Ehtml#IfInterpreterIsGPL >=20 > If you just interpret the Emacs Lisp, it is fine, but question is, do > you bind to GPL components? Most probably you do=2E >=20 > Would you make an Emacs Lisp program that does not bind to any of the > GPL components then such program could be proprietary=2E But if you do > bind to any components, it cannot be proprietary=2E > For example, if you do something like: >=20 > (require 'seq) You can certainly do that as long as you do not distribute seq with it in a proprietary blob=2E What you cannot do is limit what people can do with seq=2E =20 > That would make it no go, as your program clearly binds to GPL-ed > sequence manipulation library of Nicolas Petton=2E You cannot legally > make proprietary software by binding to GPL libraries=2E >=20 > As long as Emacs program has to be run within Emacs editor, it is > changing the editor, thus it is modification and program is not > considered stand-alone any more, it is combined program in copyright > terms, and cannot be proprietary=2E >=20 > > The problem is not about the support of a programming language=2E > > When emacs supports a language such as C, it would also support > > proprietary implementations of the language=2E I see no problem with > > that=2E But currently, there is no free software alternative to > > Wolfram Mathematica that benefits users=2E >=20 > I would say there is no alternative to free software, so I will not > use Wolfram Mathematica, I will not even look what it does, but when > somebody comes up and tells what features are needed we can maybe > find=2E Looking at what it does for the purpose of reverse engineering does not bo= ther me=2E You can learn from anything and anybody=2E =20 > - SageMath is free software > - GNU Octave is free software > - R Programming Language is free software > - Jupyter is free software > - Maxima is free software >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Jean >=20 > Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: > https://www=2Efsf=2Eorg/campaigns >=20 > Sign an open letter in support of Richard M=2E Stallman > https://stallmansupport=2Eorg/ >