Re: outline-minor-mode and org-mode capabilities for programming languages

[Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>]

> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 5:05 AM
> From: "Jean Louis" <bugs@gnu.support>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: outline-minor-mode and org-mode capabilities for programming languages
>
> * Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> [2021-05-10 15:53]:
> > > How about instead of embedding code in the text, to embed text in the
> > > code?
> >
> > Originally I had bought in the idea of Knuth and others, but did not
> > buy on their results with literate programming.  What I find
> > valuable is the the development of protowriting that communicates
> > limited information.  They maybe a parser that goes through the to
> > obtain a more literate translation.
>
> Simple Way to Document Code with Markdown, grep, and pandoc | Richard Zach
> https://people.ucalgary.ca/~rzach/blog/2014/05/simple-way-to-document-code-with-markdown-grep-and-pandoc.html
>
> Basically, few shell tools and a workflow may replace all the
> "literate programming" tools there are. Just write the markup in
> comments, and pre-process the file with `cut', `grep', etc. to
> generate output.
>
> > > That is where embedding text into the code comes in. There need not be
> > > visible text in the code, but one could click and get the same
> > > function elaborated with the markup source, markup result such as PDF,
> > > and one could jump back to the code.
> >
> > The strategy of hiding is good.  But I promote the idea of having separate
> > files.  Documentation in code will be limited, more elaborate schemes for
> > documunetation on a separate file.  Most times the code is the place to check
> > things.
>
> That can be done by method using GNU Hyperbole or principle of it,
> just make each (defun ) or (defvar ) and maybe functions a button that
> points to something else, editable.
>
> Right now if I use M-RET with GNU Hyperbole it brings me to definition
> of a function, and often it works better than M-. that brings me also
> to definitions, but it will not find it at all times.
>
> > > In other words, don't make it too literate for illiterates.
> >
> > There has to be a background and foundation.  For instance,
> > magnetism is one of those things that's just too difficult to
> > understand, except through an elaborate education in physics.  In
> > computing, we have not arrived at that stage yet.
>
> Back in time we were making programs for schools that were very
> helpful for pupils to learn physics. We don't have much of it today.

I remember those - doing electical circuits, linear motion, etc.  Were cool
stuff.

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