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envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:136260 Archived-At: > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:18 PM > From: "Jacob Hrbek" > To: "Dmitry Gutov" , help-gnu-emacs@gnu=2Eorg > Subject: Re: no to war in Ukraine > > > There is a lot of Free Software written by Russians that you are are= =20 > almost certainly using=2E Maybe not entirely but at least in part=2E=C2= =A0 -- Gutov >=20 > I am slav with lot of russians and ukrainians friends you can't even=20 > imagine how much this hurts me to do this as someone who loves and uses= =20 > Free Software in everything and who hates restrictions on privacy and=20 > freedom and who is endlessly appreciate of all the work that russian=20 > citizens did for Free Software and for me like all the helping that i=20 > got with issues including kindness of submitting a patches for a=20 > problems that i had, because I feel fucking sick and guilty, my mental= =20 > health is in absolute shit and i didn't sleep for more then 3 hours a=20 > day since the war started blaming myself for all the work that i've done= =20 > on Free Software and in Free Software Activism in the last ~14 years,=20 > because my work in Free Software contributed to the capability of=20 > russian military to do this war to bomb cities full of my brothers and= =20 > sisters, killing newborns, children, elderly and committing war crimes= =20 > against unarmed citizens scared for their life who are hiding at their= =20 > homes=2E Your work benefits everybody, remember that=2E Don't let guilt turn you into a vegetable=2E Am quite sure that you have not done much direct work for Putin that helps him coordinate his plan better=2E Please continue with your good work=2E =20 > > And not all of us support this terrible, unjust war=2E There are=20 > anti-war protests all around the world, including Moscow and=20 > Saint-Petersburg=2E -- Gutov >=20 > Russian citizens have a major role in this war i know the cost of=20 > opposing putin in russia some of my family even experienced it first=20 > hand in what happened before the Velvet Revolution in Czechia, but it's= =20 > no where near the cost that ukrainians are paying right now=2E >=20 > Please go join them and please convince others to do the same=2E The who= le=20 > world supports ukrainians and the whole world will support russians=20 > overthrowing that war criminal in moscow, but there has to be more=20 > people doing the protests and calling on the russian forces to oppose=20 > their leader to do it=2E >=20 > On 2/27/22 02:10, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 27=2E02=2E2022 02:02, Jacob Hrbek wrote: > >> > FOSS people saying somewhere no to war? > >> > >> I do and I've made a statement on that in > >> https://qoto=2Eorg/@kreyren/107851975317924221 in short taking steps = to > >> reduce russian access to my software and hardware by revoking the rig= ht > >> to use, study, improve and distribute + considering to take identity > >> verification and vetting for sensitive projects such as open-source > >> aircraft that could be used as a drone=2E > > There is a lot of Free Software written by Russians that you are are > > almost certainly using=2E Maybe not entirely but at least in part=2E > > > > And not all of us support this terrible, unjust war=2E There are anti-= war > > protests all around the world, including Moscow and Saint-Petersburg= =2E > > > > There are certain kinds of software that are more problematic than > > others, though=2E For instance, face recognition software now currentl= y > > used by Russian government on its citizens was at some point written b= y > > probably well-meaning developers=2E Given how quickly it has been > > retargeted at protestors, I don't think it's a good idea to have *any* > > country use such software=2E Though that ship has probably sailed=2E >=20 > --=20 > Jacob Hrbek, In support of ukraine sovereignty #supportUkraine >=20 >