From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Dimech Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Info file in emacs.gives Lisp error: (beginning-of-buffer) (end-of-buffer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 06:44:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87lfdo8lai.fsf@zoho.eu> <87h7oc8ie9.fsf@zoho.eu> <874kkbvo88.fsf@web.de> <877dp77oo8.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40090"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: moasenwood@zoho.eu Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 24 06:45:37 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJRQ-000AJz-Er for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 06:45:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39666 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJRP-0000sw-1m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:45:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJQh-0000so-O0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:44:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:42713) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksJQf-0001QW-Pp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 00:44:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1608788687; bh=ZVMCp3lMtU0PODOD5zQJTf+uSvs5eiTQgboMHPyTDt0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=DlPCuxKQTiELI/xIU0WBqmTs4OGj8KOZBM3NlrskStLS2bvMGoZCy9Jr7fY3/T6PG 3Kfs0PWlUmL572SRIiwfJeavWacPqzq4FVPlOslpRqJFYC/kFejpGISCKd/sj/5EFm rR/szMto53fZNC0AXKV4YM0pHCVWCAO9+9NcHlJE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs08.server.lan [172.19.170.176]) (via HTTP); Thu, 24 Dec 2020 06:44:47 +0100 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <877dp77oo8.fsf@zoho.eu> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YpyvgKXLXKSXiG/Hk8W9//CR4Pibe2u5HF8tmJrnrOhX14nzJhy2ziPER/vmNBVbT84Rn ZV8EFJ87WXzJSq1Z38rrTcnidlFe3zj/RHPcCjaMKGCNInyKMHyCIhLHZCpTWF59Qf2UGG5Ugoqn RmSiz5W4sk1+3b8mv2kn+e0bCF28TVO8163VWFBIljnbFBt11ry7MOx6cXm4zdRiIDv7wqfIG7Oi Q5Q/X8q9Yfm4TopusIHa19M1EuNZOCJhLOSw4FSsdpb82yvzjl3/hq0ZblJed9ABj4jylWv1BB0E HI= X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:3UZZBR0rOgc=:Bt484+nUjolpYo6KrLMB+i 73ewyxS6PmnFHfRzSrJvMFmckMoVAbGdawGrPwR7zDfhd2NqCYICY3hOb9b931YAAgCSFSu+T +gS000RWoQBOhv6CKC7k1EpL29hL0TXnwuGj3G4pp+CNo4D6uHVpm8DrY2EWzmrAQlyMK2pMD fr9Zrdk9GWEs1jM2cjAcy0ppGkZfpmorwkQlV1Ru/lrMVyWRQrkHvEKQyh481Tv+EOcTRTl4d qOEva4Jw2r9xK2lCHlTzg90AWeMXo+Eq4HoWz9FfV4OBYytpqMWiRbxMT8txiJcWwx4+seEAl 1i/uM5rqf4cux2/Dk+NwhMGsBpdFhp01PE0C9LSLG5UPyaBLyugFe1o45ooUkC3Ks08sDTIlg KNEPpmbRAq3kmxZuaC5JhFtPI1Bicw4NRoVGWK8Z2uB55/G7Az0KJ1uOGNfxfhcMiQeLTJmnu wgzSxELSCR9x5Y4HjEyg8BUf0M4uLlDRa7Ji6fG8RMU1Z6BflwHCeZrwEUNQkLH6YveI6coqn 0D5Vwo3eqUUnlQ+KLCLhliSz5JMIcC8/9h6J7m4fU+dlE2bBq17NeWrYS7/xevtHdJpQGnXxo yqv8piWJbNLjA= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=dimech@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:126728 Archived-At: > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 11:04 AM > From: "Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor" > To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Subject: Re: Info file in emacs.gives Lisp error: (beginning-of-buffer) = (end-of-buffer) > > Christopher Dimech wrote: > > > Have the point moving to the top of the buffer should not > > really be considered an error. I agree that nil is not > > a very good choice. too > > Well, Emacs is from 1976. People were thinking of it like > programmers. That's actually part of the appeal, even now. Seems everything got started the same way. From a fuckup. :) > In the user experience sense, it isn't an error, no. > People aren't computers, thanks heaven. Wouldn't that make it even worse? :) > But luckily, this computer/programmer/user discrepancy, which > is unavoidable if one wants to have a common interface, this > particular situation is very easy to solve ... even/especially > with programming! > > And the solution spells ... *drumroll* ... > > debug-ignored-errors ! I really needed to think there. > -- > underground experts united > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 > https://dataswamp.org/~incal > > >