From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hugh Wolf Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs for Mac OS 10.3.1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:02:21 GMT Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <1N2vb.57354$Dw6.319479@attbi_s02> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1069449691 3483 80.91.224.253 (21 Nov 2003 21:21:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 21 22:21:28 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ANIiV-0007FA-00 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:21:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ANJaR-0001Eb-K8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:17:11 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.level3.com!53ab2750!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.0 (Darwin) Original-Lines: 23 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.89.72.53 Original-X-Trace: news.level3.com 1069448541 128.89.72.53 (Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:02:21 GMT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:02:21 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:118556 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:14498 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:14498 On 2003-11-21, Tim McNamara wrote: > westin*nospam@graphics.cornell.edu (Stephen H. Westin) writes: > fink is handholding for Mac users who have never compiled software in > their lives It's really not. I've been building software from sources for 25+ years, which is not quite all my life but a pretty fair percentage of it...If anything, the more experience you have with this kind of thing, the more likely you are to appreciate what fink and similar tools have to offer. Look at the Linux community, which is made up almost exclusively of software-savvy people. All the Redhat users I know use rpm to install software if at all possible. Likewise, all the Debian users I know use dselect, apt-get etc to install software. Not because they need hand-holding, but because version and dependency management are understood to be Good Things. Fink does exactly the same job for OSX. The dual nature of OSX means it has some extra restrictions (in particular, staying out of the way of Apple's installers and updaters), but conceptually it's identical to the Debian tools.