From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Eichwalder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: password shows on emacs as a shell Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:31:14 +0100 Organization: The Moon On Earth Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <84vg389dqr.fsf@crybaby.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037127555 8577 80.91.224.249 (12 Nov 2002 18:59:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bugmail@suse.de Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BgFj-0002Dp-00 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:59:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18BgGQ-0000z8-00; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:59:54 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!uni-erlangen.de!elvis.franken.de!chico.franken.de!news.franken.de!gnu.franken.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: tux.gnu.franken.de Original-X-Trace: tux.gnu.franken.de 1037125874 13910 192.168.1.3 (12 Nov 2002 18:31:14 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: newsadm@gnu.franken.de Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 18:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Mail-copies-to: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ep9CJUGh7inkP8eawG9Ptt9O6XE= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:106975 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:3526 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:3526 @product : SuSELinux @version : 8.2-pre @component : documentation @short_desc : add notes on Emacs customization @assigned_to : ke@suse.de @rep_platform : All @bug_severity : enhancement @priority : P3 @groupset : ReadWorld @op_sys : Linux Eric Marsden writes: > ke> On SuSE Linux ~/.emacs loads ~/.gnu-emacs; thus please edit > ke> ~/.gnu-emacs if you want to add own customizations. > > jh> Do you know why? Short answer: for historical reasons. .emacs will also load .xemacs/init.el when appropriate. > jh> It seems like a somewhat stu^Hrange decision. It makes it much > jh> more cumbersome to give people advice here -- especially if > jh> other distributors get "creative" too and all them make up > jh> gratuitous names for '~/.emacs'. Yes. Of course, advantageous users can comment out the .gnu-emacs loading part and start from scratch. Long anser see below. > I agree; this is very unfortunate packaging on the part of SuSE. They > ignore the standard site-init facility, putting all their > customizations in each user's personal init file. Their customizations > are extensive, intrusive, undocumented, and in certain cases > misguided. Strong words, but let me try to explain it (hope I'll get the details right; I don't maintain the Emacs package on SuSE Linux). Some years ago (6, 7 years or so), customizations where necessary for european users. Those settings were added to /etc/skel/.{,gnu-}emacs. I was told it isn't possible to change it easily because old user are used to it and you must honor their way to use Emacs. These days a new user should feel free to start without customization. I'll add some notes to the manual (bugzilla entry via CC). -- ke@suse.de (work) / keichwa@gmx.net (home): | http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | ,__o Free Translation Project: | _-\_<, http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/contrib/po/HTML/ | (*)/'(*)