From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lute Kamstra Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why have "shell" when there's "term" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:13:53 +0200 Organization: CWI, Amsterdam Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054908981 16859 80.91.224.249 (6 Jun 2003 14:16:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 06 16:16:17 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19OHzf-0004GH-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:14:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OI0J-0005aI-SW for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:15:39 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!feeder.news.heanet.ie!surfnet.nl!news.surfnet.nl!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 20 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: occarina.pna.cwi.nl Original-X-Trace: news.surfnet.nl 1054908834 23064 192.16.184.200 (6 Jun 2003 14:13:54 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.surfnet.nl Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:13:54 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (J. Krugman's message of "Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:57:47 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:7U19ZkmfSyu6mJZGRqF1fAZ15Ow= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:114221 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:10715 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:10715 J Krugman writes: > It seems to me that "M-x term" is in every way superior to "M-x > shell". What's the point of the latter? I'm curious: can you be a bit more specific? Can you give examples of things which are done better by `term' then by `shell'? I've been using `shell' for quite some time and am quite happy with it. I just tried `term' for the first time in Emacs 21 and it seemed broken as a simple ls in bash spat out badly aligned text columns. IIRC, it used to work in Emacs 20. Do you use the latter version? [Mental note: write bug report.] Lute. -- (spook) => "subversive Firewalls bomb" (insert-file-contents "~/.signature") => (error "`~/.signature' too rude")