From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Customising display-fill-column-indicator-mode Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 10:32:02 +0000 Message-ID: References: <838rnf84xv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k06w51s0.fsf@gnu.org> <83a67s4ywf.fsf@gnu.org> <834jy04xnk.fsf@gnu.org> <139xXSj_AZ2ugM0vhbc0aDGZgfgmEgqbMxyU2VxjuS0Q-PJOydjl3Oc6dmEhIf732fd9e5IdEwdYymEYYXcnC1Uym9Yr_pJ37uesZxT2_as=@proton.me> <8335dk4vfg.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: uzibalqa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12678"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 25 12:33:43 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oRABC-00030e-NV for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 12:33:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50566 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRABB-0006i3-HP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 06:33:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45996) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRA9r-0006f5-2E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 06:32:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]:22841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRA9m-0002AJ-Rs; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 06:32:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=7w5fgpsy25gorptnocoxxoyygi.protonmail; t=1661423531; x=1661682731; bh=23cRQskYlOSWvBnRI0p7aSSlx2zvHGyoobZXFs9uCcA=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To: Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=gF1AgpPY3BSyacSjMrqV6Iwseowt4IGmpw112mFQWCWuQYNVv3A19QdbroPhQsJJF vG6Svomo46N4A4i4PyFrnXOMtqagwD4gJvE3gs2RS9+LMgZk421C/a41ls8p3KBvYB h3H1iAzzoxXcNGdWz4BFQKA0hu/KUCSsyOwsIEH8jsclXd93/pZiPhIGVUjrSRZ1Z2 SwinKV2REMstt98x2maawpRltXFlpVE5HLrapinm2EX3KgMbZ1LhPYkBVWlnFeZ63w JOiuTtIaHr9vfp7y0z4C8S9kZgBY81KCpqE8xXF5iYrVFETQYgRRQnFTPyRlijOvVr 2cq7HxyiaU/eQ== In-Reply-To: <8335dk4vfg.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.24; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4324.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139080 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Thursday, August 25th, 2022 at 7:46 AM, Eli Zaretskii wro= te: > > Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:24:47 +0000 > > From: uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me > > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > >=20 > > > This is not the Customize interface. You are obviously not proficient > > > enough with Emacs Lisp, so my suggestion was to use "M-x customize-va= riable" > > > instead: > >=20 > > I am working on functionalities in elisp files. >=20 >=20 > Customization of Emacs for your needs doesn't have to be done in Lisp, > and doesn't usually require any programming at all. >=20 > > Just calling me not proficient with emacs and saying adios is very > > strange. >=20 >=20 > There was no adios in what I wrote. I proposed to use a more > user-friendly customization interface, which should work around the > obstacles you had. There's nothing strange in suggesting easier ways > of doing what you want; in some quarters it's considered good help. I rejected that approach for what I want to do. If it cannot be done through elisp, I will reject the activation of that feature. =20 > How to specify characters in Emacs Lisp is very basic. If you want to > do this customization in Lisp, I suggest to read the "Character Codes" > node in the ELisp manual, it explains those basics. But your attempt > to do this in Lisp has more problems than just specifying characters, > so my suggestion is still to use the Customize interface, it will get > you to the goal faster and with fewer problems. If the Lisp part has serious problems, the thing to take from all this, is to improve the lisp part so it will not stay so problematic. =20 > > > Feel free to submit a bug report against that theme: it evidently > > > should define distinct colors for fill-column-indicator face. Or you > > > could customize that face yourself, using "M-x customize-face". Will do so. I should have been more specific about the theme related probl= em. =20 > > It would be a good thing to fix. It is the origin of my problem. Was no= t > > expecting having to delve into the indicator size and character. Just w= anted > > to test the indicator feature and get to an opinion of it. >=20 >=20 > It is not possible to have defaults that suit everyone. Especially if > you load non-default themes. How is it that Emacs Maintainers, knowing very well that modus-themes is th= e only=20 theme designed with serious accessibility standards, do not make them the d= efault themes. Defaults should be designed to suit most people. Being able to di= stinguish=20 text and using a good enough colour contrast is technical wisdom that any d= eveloper=20 worth his salt should understand and act upon.