* How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
@ 2003-11-26 1:36 Jason
2003-11-26 1:49 ` Björn Lindström
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From: Jason @ 2003-11-26 1:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
I am a novice.:) I can't found it in my dictionary. Somebody knows it?
Jason
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* Re: How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
2003-11-26 1:36 How to pronouncd "Emacs"? Jason
@ 2003-11-26 1:49 ` Björn Lindström
2003-11-26 3:31 ` leo
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From: Björn Lindström @ 2003-11-26 1:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
"Jason" <realsong@hotmail.com> writes:
> I am a novice.:) I can't found it in my dictionary. Somebody knows it?
Since it originally is an abbreviation of Extended MACroS, EH-MACKS
seems like a good choice. EE-MACKS is probably just as common, though,
as well as various regional variations. (I usually pronounce it as you
would in Swedish, for example.
--
Björn Lindström <bkhl@elektrubadur.se
http://bkhl.elektrubadur.se/
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* Re: How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
2003-11-26 1:36 How to pronouncd "Emacs"? Jason
2003-11-26 1:49 ` Björn Lindström
@ 2003-11-26 3:31 ` leo
2003-11-26 14:38 ` Pascal Bourguignon
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From: leo @ 2003-11-26 3:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
i'd go for [ee:macks] -- in english and in german.
"Jason" <realsong@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am a novice.:) I can't found it in my dictionary. Somebody knows it?
>
> Jason
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* Re: How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
2003-11-26 1:36 How to pronouncd "Emacs"? Jason
2003-11-26 1:49 ` Björn Lindström
2003-11-26 3:31 ` leo
@ 2003-11-26 14:38 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2003-11-26 14:53 ` Björn Lindström
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2003-11-26 17:03 ` Galen Boyer
2003-11-26 21:45 ` sebyte
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From: Pascal Bourguignon @ 2003-11-26 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
"Jason" <realsong@hotmail.com> writes:
> I am a novice.:) I can't found it in my dictionary. Somebody knows it?
>
> Jason
>
>
Bad dictionary. Change dictionary.
>From Jargon File (4.3.0, 30 APR 2001) [jargon]:
EMACS /ee'maks/ n. [from Editing MACroS] The ne plus ultra of hacker
editors, a programmable text editor with an entire LISP system inside
it. It was originally written by Richard Stallman in TECO under
{ITS} at the MIT AI lab; AI Memo 554 described it as "an advanced,
self-documenting, customizable, extensible real-time display editor". It
has since been reimplemented any number of times, by various hackers,
and versions exist that run under most major operating systems. Perhaps
the most widely used version, also written by Stallman and now called
"GNU EMACS" or GNUMACS, runs principally under Unix. (Its close
relative XEmacs is the second most popular version.) It includes
facilities to run compilation subprocesses and send and receive mail or
news; many hackers spend up to 80% of their tube time inside it. Other
variants include GOSMACS, CCA EMACS, UniPress EMACS, Montgomery EMACS,
jove, epsilon, and MicroEMACS. (Though we use the original all-caps
spelling here, it is nowadays very commonly `Emacs'.)
Some EMACS versions running under window managers iconify as an
overflowing kitchen sink, perhaps to suggest the one feature the editor
does not (yet) include. Indeed, some hackers find EMACS too
heavyweight and baroque for their taste, and expand the name as
`Escape Meta Alt Control Shift' to spoof its heavy reliance on
keystrokes decorated with bucky bits. Other spoof expansions include
`Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping' (from when that was a lot of
core), `Eventually `malloc()'s All Computer Storage', and `EMACS Makes
A Computer Slow' (see {recursive acronym}). See also vi.
>From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03) [foldoc]:
Emacs
<text, tool> /ee'maks/ (Editing MACroS, or Extensible MACro
System, GNU Emacs) A popular screen editor for Unix and
most other operating systems.
Emacs is distributed by the Free Software Foundation and was
Richard Stallman's first step in the GNU project. Emacs
is extensible - it is easy to add new functions; customisable
- you can rebind keys, and modify the behaviour of existing
functions; self-documenting - there is extensive on-line,
context-sensitive help; and has a real-time "what you see is
what you get" display. Emacs is writen in C and the higher
levels are programmed in Emacs Lisp.
Emacs has an entire Lisp system inside it. It was
originally written in TECO under ITS at the MIT {AI
lab}. AI Memo 554 described it as "an advanced,
self-documenting, customisable, extensible real-time display
editor".
It includes facilities to view directories, run compilation
subprocesses and send and receive electronic mail and
Usenet news (GNUS). W3 is a web browser, the
ange-ftp package provides transparent access to files on
remote FTP servers. Calc is a calculator and {symbolic
mathematics} package. There are "modes" provided to assist in
editing most well-known programming languages. Most of these
extra functions are configured to load automatically on first
use, reducing start-up time and memory consumption. Many
hackers (including Denis Howe) spend more than 80% of their
tube time inside Emacs.
GNU Emacs is available for Unix, VMS, GNU/Linux,
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, MS Windows, MS-DOS, and
other systems. Emacs has been re-implemented more than 30
times. Other variants include GOSMACS, CCA Emacs, UniPress
Emacs, Montgomery Emacs, and XEmacs. Jove, epsilon, and
MicroEmacs are limited look-alikes.
Some Emacs versions running under window managers iconify as
an overflowing kitchen sink, perhaps to suggest the one
feature the editor does not (yet) include. Indeed, some
hackers find Emacs too heavyweight and baroque for their
taste, and expand the name as "Escape Meta Alt Control Shift"
to spoof its heavy reliance on keystrokes decorated with
bucky bits. Other spoof expansions include "Eight Megabytes
And Constantly Swapping", "Eventually "malloc()'s All Computer
Storage", and "Emacs Makes A Computer Slow" (see {recursive
acronym}). See also vi.
Latest version: 20.6, as of 2000-05-11. 21.1 (RSN) adds a
new redisplay engine with support for proportional text,
images, tool bars, tool tips, toolkit scroll bars, and a
mouse-sensitive mode line.
FTP from your nearest GNU archive site.
E-mail: (bug reports only) <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>.
Usenet newsgroups: news:gnu.emacs.help,
news:gnu.emacs.bug, news:alt.religion.emacs,
news:gnu.emacs.sources, news:gnu.emacs.announce.
[Jargon File]
(1997-02-04)
>From Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (Version 1.9, June 2002) [vera]:
EMACS
Editing MACroS (GNU)
--
__Pascal_Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Living free in Alaska or in Siberia, a grizzli's life expectancy is 35 years,
but no more than 8 years in captivity. http://www.theadvocates.org/
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* Re: How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
2003-11-26 14:38 ` Pascal Bourguignon
@ 2003-11-26 14:53 ` Björn Lindström
2003-12-06 6:30 ` Barry Margolin
2003-11-27 4:44 ` Brad Collins
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From: Björn Lindström @ 2003-11-26 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
Pascal Bourguignon <spam@thalassa.informatimago.com> writes:
> <text, tool> /ee'maks/ (Editing MACroS, or Extensible MACro
> System, GNU Emacs) A popular screen editor for Unix and
> most other operating systems.
Hm, it seems I had the rationale of the abbreviation wrong.
Anyway, I wouldn't say that any of the dictionaries are authorities on
actual usage. (Even if EE-MAKS is probably one of the more common).
--
Björn Lindström <bkhl@elektrubadur.se
http://bkhl.elektrubadur.se/
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* Re: How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
2003-11-26 1:36 How to pronouncd "Emacs"? Jason
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2003-11-26 21:45 ` sebyte
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From: Galen Boyer @ 2003-11-26 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
It is pronounced, "The way the truth the life".
--
Galen Boyer
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* Re: How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
2003-11-26 1:36 How to pronouncd "Emacs"? Jason
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2003-11-26 17:03 ` Galen Boyer
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From: sebyte @ 2003-11-26 21:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
Jason wrote:
> I am a novice.:) I can't found it in my dictionary. Somebody knows it?
>
> Jason
Has no one thought to ask Saint Ignucius?
sebyte
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* Re: How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
2003-11-26 14:38 ` Pascal Bourguignon
2003-11-26 14:53 ` Björn Lindström
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From: Brad Collins @ 2003-11-27 4:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
Pascal Bourguignon <spam@thalassa.informatimago.com> writes:
> [snip] Indeed, some hackers find EMACS too
> heavyweight and baroque for their taste....
Baroque?
Hmmmm. Or perhaps a Greek Tragedy?
You *could* think of Emacs as a sort of labyrinth, with info and help
features acting as Ariadne's thread leading to Richard Stallman at the
center playing the Minotaur! Except in the Emacs version we never
quite reach the center because Theseus keeps getting sidetracked,
customizing the labyrinth as he goes along, changing the lighting,
adding new passages and creating shortcuts between tunnels....
b/
-------------------------
Brad Collins
Chenla Labs
Bangkok, Thailand
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@ 2003-11-27 12:56 ` David Kastrup
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From: David Kastrup @ 2003-11-27 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
Brad Collins <brad@studiojungle.net> writes:
> Pascal Bourguignon <spam@thalassa.informatimago.com> writes:
>
>
> > [snip] Indeed, some hackers find EMACS too
> > heavyweight and baroque for their taste....
>
> Baroque?
>
> Hmmmm. Or perhaps a Greek Tragedy?
>
> You *could* think of Emacs as a sort of labyrinth, with info and help
> features acting as Ariadne's thread leading to Richard Stallman at the
> center playing the Minotaur!
What a load of bull. Richard Stallman is, of course, playing Stephen
Dedalus.
> Except in the Emacs version we never quite reach the center because
> Theseus keeps getting sidetracked, customizing the labyrinth as he
> goes along, changing the lighting, adding new passages and creating
> shortcuts between tunnels....
Emacs is certainly modernistic.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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* Re: How to pronouncd "Emacs"?
2003-11-26 14:53 ` Björn Lindström
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From: Barry Margolin @ 2003-12-06 6:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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In article <s38ptffrxki.fsf@supinum.ling.uu.se>,
bkhl@elektrubadur.se (Björn Lindström) wrote:
> Anyway, I wouldn't say that any of the dictionaries are authorities on
> actual usage. (Even if EE-MAKS is probably one of the more common).
I've been using Emacs for 24 years, I learned it where it was created,
and I've heard RMS speak about it. I've never heard it pronounced
anything other than EE-MAKS. In fact, this is the first time I can
recall anyone questioning the pronunciation. Perhaps if the name were
derived from something like EMulator ACtorS, EM-AKS would be a
reasonable pronunciation. But since the E and M are from different
words, it makes most sense for it to be treated like E-Macs. Even
though the E is short in the original word, it becomes long when used in
an abbriviation (like the "i" in many Internet-related services and
products that are called "i<Something>").
--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Woburn, MA
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