From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: goncholden Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Indentation with spaces Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 17:57:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87fskezg7s.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87y1y4lumk.fsf@dataswamp.org> Reply-To: goncholden Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34023"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 10 19:58:07 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nzitZ-0008dU-UR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:58:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43338 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzitY-00040H-LG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:58:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34354) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzit2-000406-K3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:57:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]:56897) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nzit0-0008GM-4B for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:57:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1654883834; x=1655143034; bh=ISyohnYpACR7UkRhC4iBWRTvWeU4X8MYTK/Ud4A9f3M=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To: References:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To: Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=s4L53mPNHlGpXKgwI9fT9qgGNwfv/G3c46xdv1b66uMQxyJyhx92Y7RcXn9Uehp42 B2C0kagBshRvKzYQXatznGLUoYZVC3aWYkFrYMqkiNbc6DwDCYPB/DRJ5K8BbG0jIL AE58tPbGv5f4W3De13KjhGmAIqKk6E8AsLBnJscSsKhqDAb/gQXVbvzuihE4b48cTT dwOxKbHtf510R7/1E9SxNtrdGmdN+8WXi/nrMyJRvzyby8ks1EfRnJQWRBLTP9l5B6 4C2+DdYS0p3xg4S57gysdUk6ifSm3AUBUmvB8iDio+oJ1Y2zVMBnYSknc0hQIC4ZhG alkLil0Kcr34Q== In-Reply-To: <87y1y4lumk.fsf@dataswamp.org> Feedback-ID: 43053548:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.19; envelope-from=goncholden@protonmail.com; helo=mail-4319.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137616 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, June 10th, 2022 at 9:45 PM, Emanuel Berg w= rote: > Skip Montanaro wrote: > > > > Why is `indent-tabs-mode' t by default? Tabs should not > > > be used. > > > > We say that today. I've been using some version of Emacs > > since the early 1980s. Before the appearance of > > indentation-sensitive languages like Python a literal TAB > > when the TAB key was pressed made sense. > > > Okay, why is that? > > I have written some Python and while I don't like the > "indentation sensitiveness" the discussion can go both ways and > it's up to them to decide what to do with their language. They are idiots turning others into idiots like them. > But how does that influence anything and in particular > other languages? > > And besides I have spaces in my Python as well: > > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/sth/sth.py > > Just like in Lisp: > > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/comic-book-insult.el > > The only exception is makefiles > > https://dataswamp.org/~incal/emacs-init/Makefile > > That I always thought was because that make(1) (GNU make) > program explicitely looked for TABs so in that case it was > enforced. I never asked why and didn't think about finding out > either, some leftover from the dinosaur age probable that one > just accepted ... > > Explain please ... > > -- > underground experts united > https://dataswamp.org/~incal