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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::730 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:122943 Archived-At: Hi Gregor, Gregor Zattler writes: > Hi Radu, emacs users, > * Radu Butoi [2020-04-25; 20:19]: >> I've recently set up my mail in Emacs, and it works well. Gmail, though, >> doesn't support [1] format=flowed, resulting in the hard-to-read comb >> effect when viewing on mobile, which I'd like to avoid. Doing some more >> research, I see that the quoted-printable encoding (which Gmail does >> support [2], and I've confirmed) can also be used to avoid hard line >> breaks while keeping under the line length limit. > > actually I read the two resources you provided as gmail displays > format=flowed formatted emails but does not allow a web interface > user to send such email. > > Sine you want to send emails with emacs everything should be fine? It has worked in the past, but the redesign from ~two years ago removed it again. Apologies on the misleading link -- here's [1] some from more recently. I also confirmed it doesn't work. > [... 22 lines deleted ...] >> More generally, since I'm new to terminal-based email, what is the >> etiquette around hard-wrapping (or not)? Would it be rude to send >> paragraphs as one logical line (wrapped-in-transmission by >> quoted-printable) and expect people to soft-wrap? > > I send emails with lines no longer than 65 characters and my mail > client (notmuch/message/emacs) allows me to fill the paragraphs > while I type. Same here (notmuch), using the default message-fill-column of 72. I also set notmuch-wash-wrap-lines-length so that incoming long lines are wrapped. Is this a fair expectation to set on everyone? It's one of the first things I did, since I still get converted HTML mail that would otherwise take up the full width of my screen. > I assume today's smartphones to be more than capable of showing 65 > chars in one line. I'm afraid not: here's [2] how your email looks like on my Pixel 4 XL, a considerably big phone. Thanks for your input, Radu [1]: https://github.com/legoscia/messages-are-flowing/issues/9#issuecomment-565504136, which references https://cpbotha.net/2016/09/27/thunderbird-support-of-rfc-3676-formatflowed-is-half-broken/ and https://vxlabs.com/2019/08/25/format-flowed-with-long-lines/ [2]: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Rw4gBdhMH4rqRYsS6