From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nuno Silva" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Newsgroups mailing-list gateway broken thread Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 20:38:45 +0100 Organization: albasani.net Message-ID: References: <87lg6w43k8.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> <861s8nefj5.fsf@zoho.com> <874ldjtcow.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> <20181018121955500722783@bob.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1539977914 6086 195.159.176.226 (19 Oct 2018 19:38:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 19:38:34 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 19 21:38:29 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDabN-0001UX-Q9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:38:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52392 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDadU-0000ah-6u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:40:40 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 66 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net lN+Iaym5N75jtM9aOZLy5vCak6LLaUjw/3DgK6GVWgc7VhAfj3OWjmSQYZHUWaF7KheERnlJM+ZpGyyGr5A/hQ== Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 19:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Original-Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="h5p59slSDn87t+fpuC2eF841HiHqLeF2j6ANKqEU/rrl8Qls3AG5jZqKNUPgxVNWG7obRc/z6oJ0qK736jH+aM+FDpEaPUcDa69Aj+p64XK5MFjQaALZT8UE6LM3/nk2"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@albasani.net" Cancel-Lock: sha1:AOd0rWvyKvufIzZZSikgeaikhjQ= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:224225 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118351 Archived-At: On 2018-10-19, Bob Proulx wrote: > Nuno Silva wrote: >> But why is the gateway rewriting Message-IDs? > > I think that would be a bug. But it may be a bug only in one of the > newgroup relays. The list for the replied to message: > > Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail > >> Your post, seen from USENET, has: >> >> Message-ID: >> >> And on Gmane: >> >> Message-ID: <86zhvab5r3.fsf@zoho.com> > > I think that is a good clue. But it may include a race condition. > The message id that includes "mailman" seems like something that could > be inserted by the mail to newsgroup direction of the gateway. And > why doesn't it include an actual hostname there? It isn't required. > It is only required that it be unique and any unique string may be > used there. So that may not be wrong as such. And it might be the > creation of a news reader creating that message id. But it feels like > something that needs to be understood in order to continue to make > sense of things. > >> (This reply is being sent through USENET, but I tried to set >> In-Reply-To myself. If that works, it shouldn't break threading.) > > I think it worked. > > What did you try setting it to? It came to the mailing list with: > > In-Reply-To: <86zhvab5r3.fsf@zoho.com> > References: <87lg6w43k8.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> <861s8nefj5.fsf@zoho.com> > <874ldjtcow.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> > <20181018121955500722783@bob.proulx.com> > That (above) is exactly what was in the post I sent. I manually added "In-Reply-To: <86zhvab5r3.fsf@zoho.com>". This should be the Gmane Message-ID of the post which shows up here (USENET) as . > It apeared that the message you replied to was: > > Message-ID: <86zhvab5r3.fsf@zoho.com> > References: <87lg6w43k8.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> <861s8nefj5.fsf@zoho.com> > <874ldjtcow.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> > <20181018121955500722783@bob.proulx.com> > > Seems that the message id should have also been pushed into the > References list too but was not. But I know you were doing that > manually. If it were done by software then the message id should be > pushed into References and set as the In-Reply-To. But it is also > interesting that the References list changed beyond that too. It was pushed, but it was the rewritten Message-ID. This is the problem. For some reason something is changing the Message-IDs. But instead of changing *all* of them - Message-ID, References and In-Reply-To - (and in both directions), it appears to be changing the Message-ID only? -- Nuno Silva