From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Alexandrov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: N-key rollover keyboards Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 20:46:56 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20200803221147.GA108728@scrozzle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37014"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: help-gnu-emacs , Alan Davis To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 04 19:50:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k314y-0009WH-O6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 19:50:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34980 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k314x-0002No-MI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:50:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45756) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k311k-0000ut-Ak for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from relay-2.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.5]:46780) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k311h-0003QD-Ru for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 13:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from v-1c.localdomain (unknown [192.168.90.161]) by relay-2.mailobj.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F5551241; Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:46:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by mail-1.net-c.com [213.182.54.15] with ESMTP Tue, 4 Aug 2020 19:46:59 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: KElDah6ej8fPqxGxAIdKwXGbwn/wkg93M5AnBr77r9hkTuiL5Es6dnvuEDqtSAicE+g4goh5IrqCbaMcawNZJinNe+Nqwj/x In-Reply-To: (Yuri Khan's message of "Tue, 4 Aug 2020 18:29:08 +0700") OpenPGP: id=525F7E60AD812C2361752BB4C8B0F8548EE7F3E7; url=https://openpgpkey.gnui.org/.well-known/openpgpkey/gnui.org/hu/hr4k5tkxm6shwdc18su4bkm34w3dctjd Mail-Copies-To: always Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.5; envelope-from=dag@gnui.org; helo=relay-2.mailobj.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/04 13:01:59 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:123638 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yuri Khan wrote: > Of course there is an interaction. You have a stack of software, all list= ening for keystrokes. They will have a chance to handle them in roughly thi= s order: > > 1. your kernel (typically handles Ctrl+Alt+F1..F10 to switch TTYs) Is that really the case? =E2=80=94 M-! xkbcomp $DISPLAY - =E2=80=94 remove XF86Switch_VT_1 from key =E2=80=94 M-| xkbcomp - $DISPLAY =E2=86=92 and Ctrl-Alt-F1 does not work anymore for me. > 2. your X server (in older times, it would terminate on Ctrl+Alt+Backspac= e; also keyboard layout switching happens here) Oh, indeed! If one is experiecing oddities with input when using Emacs (as= well as some app running under terminal emulator), it might be due to the = fact that it still is not layout-aware. And if user have never needed non-= latin input, he in turn might be not aware of that fact. @alan3davis@gmail.com, were not your experimenting with similar to QWERTY y= et slightly different layouts? --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIMEARYIACsWIQRSX35grYEsI2F1K7TIsPhUjufz5wUCXymfEA0cZGFnQGdudWku b3JnAAoJEMiw+FSO5/Pnn5AA/iHnOCOTeJbAZG3Gblyeqd3+wcKg9ffl950mttN3 2Qc4AQCBuT1EF4VNgw3b1mifKfW/jVy0ZJSHzCOGyOzHYRJMBA== =TvBw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--