* parens matching not matching all matching parens
@ 2004-09-16 19:19 Arjan Bos
2004-09-16 19:42 ` J. David Boyd
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From: Arjan Bos @ 2004-09-16 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi all,
I'm currently developing yet another rich text format writer. And as you
might know, RTF is using curly braces a lot. Alas, every now and then, a
normal parentheses pops up between a set of matching {}. Both the parens
matching colouring and the forward-sexp / backward-sexp can't handle
this. How can I (help to) solve this?
An rtf snippet is included here:
{\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\uc1
{\*\pnseclvl4\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta )}}}
This is a complete piece of (non-sensical, but correct) rtf. The first
`{' matches the last `}'. Only C-M-f jumps from the first `{' to the
one-to-last `}'.
I'm wondering if this is a bug or not.
TIA,
Arjan
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-16 19:19 parens matching not matching all matching parens Arjan Bos
@ 2004-09-16 19:42 ` J. David Boyd
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From: J. David Boyd @ 2004-09-16 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
Arjan Bos <Arjan.Bos@nospam.ISeeYou.nl> writes:
> {\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\uc1
> {\*\pnseclvl4\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta )}}}
>
> This is a complete piece of (non-sensical, but correct) rtf. The first
> `{' matches the last `}'. Only C-M-f jumps from the first `{' to the
> one-to-last `}'.
>
I see three opening, and four closing curly braces. Aren't they
supposed to be even?
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
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@ 2004-09-16 20:19 ` Arjan Bos
2004-09-16 21:45 ` Miles Bader
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From: Arjan Bos @ 2004-09-16 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
J. David Boyd wrote:
> Arjan Bos <Arjan.Bos@nospam.ISeeYou.nl> writes:
>
>
>>{\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\uc1
>>{\*\pnseclvl4\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta )}}}
>>
>>This is a complete piece of (non-sensical, but correct) rtf. The first
>>`{' matches the last `}'. Only C-M-f jumps from the first `{' to the
>>one-to-last `}'.
>>
>
>
> I see three opening, and four closing curly braces. Aren't they
> supposed to be even?
>
They are supposed to be even, yes, and they are. That is the problem. In
sequence, there are three opening `{', one closing ')' and three closing
'}'. It is very easy for a human to get confused, so I expect(ed) a
little help from emacs. ;-)
Arjan
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-16 20:19 ` Arjan Bos
@ 2004-09-16 21:45 ` Miles Bader
2004-09-17 17:25 ` Arjan Bos
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From: Miles Bader @ 2004-09-16 21:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
Arjan Bos <Arjan.Bos@nospam.ISeeYou.nl> writes:
> They are supposed to be even, yes, and they are. That is the problem. In
> sequence, there are three opening `{', one closing ')' and three closing
> }'. It is very easy for a human to get confused, so I expect(ed) a
> little help from emacs. ;-)
Perhaps you want to remove the parenthes-syntax of "(" and ")" (and
maybe brackets too), so that only braces will ever participate in
matching, e.g.:
(defvar my-wacky-syntax-table
(let ((table (make-syntax-table)))
(modify-syntax-entry ?( "." table)
(modify-syntax-entry ?) "." table)
(modify-syntax-entry ?[ "." table)
(modify-syntax-entry ?] "." table)
table))
;; ... later, in mode init function:
(set-syntax-table my-wacky-syntax-table)
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-16 19:19 parens matching not matching all matching parens Arjan Bos
2004-09-16 19:42 ` J. David Boyd
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@ 2004-09-17 2:18 ` Greg Hill
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From: Greg Hill @ 2004-09-17 2:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
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At 9:19 PM +0200 9/16/04, Arjan Bos wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm currently developing yet another rich text format writer. And as
>you might know, RTF is using curly braces a lot. Alas, every now and
>then, a normal parentheses pops up between a set of matching {}.
>Both the parens matching colouring and the forward-sexp /
>backward-sexp can't handle this. How can I (help to) solve this?
>
>An rtf snippet is included here:
>
>{\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\uc1
>{\*\pnseclvl4\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta )}}}
>
>This is a complete piece of (non-sensical, but correct) rtf. The
>first `{' matches the last `}'. Only C-M-f jumps from the first `{'
>to the one-to-last `}'.
>
>I'm wondering if this is a bug or not.
>
>TIA,
>
>Arjan
Arjan,
Personally, I would call it a bug in the 'scan-sexps built-in
function, which is called by 'forward-sexp, which is normally bound
to "C-M-f". For some reason 'scan-sexps seems to treat a ")" as
matching a "{". You might want to submit a bug report, but there is
no guanentee the maintainers of Emacs will not call that odd behavior
a "feature."
On the other hand, if you just want to get on with life, you can try
putting something like the following code in your .emacs file. The
'defun defines a function that scans forward for the first '(', '[',
'<' or '{' following point, whatever it see first, then scans for a
matching closing character, ignoring any other characters. The
'(setq forward-sexp-function... effectively replaces the guts of
'forward-sexp with the new function, so you will not have to rebind
your keystroke. It works in the backward direction as well ("C-M-b").
(defun forward-pexp (&optional arg)
(interactive "p")
(or arg (setq arg 1))
(let (open close next notstrc notstro notstre depth)
(catch 'done
(cond ((> arg 0)
(skip-chars-forward "^([{<")
(setq open (char-after))
(cond ((eq open ?\()
(setq close ?\)))
((eq open ?\[)
(setq close ?\]))
((eq open ?\{)
(setq close ?\}))
((eq open ?\<)
(setq close ?\>))
(t
(throw 'done nil) ) )
(setq notstro (concat "^" (char-to-string open))
notstre (concat notstro (char-to-string close)) )
(while (and (> arg 0) (not (eobp)))
(skip-chars-forward notstro)
(forward-char 1)
(setq depth 1)
(while (and (> depth 0) (not (eobp)))
(skip-chars-forward notstre)
(setq next (char-after))
(cond ((eq next open)
(setq depth (1+ depth)) )
((eq next close)
(setq depth (1- depth)) )
(t
(throw 'done nil) ) )
(forward-char 1) )
(setq arg (1- arg) ) ) )
((< arg 0)
(skip-chars-backward "^)]}>")
(setq close (char-before))
(cond ((eq close ?\))
(setq open ?\())
((eq close ?\])
(setq open ?\[))
((eq close ?\})
(setq open ?\{))
((eq close ?\>)
(setq open ?\<))
(t
(throw 'done nil) ) )
(setq notstrc (concat "^" (char-to-string close))
notstre (concat notstrc (char-to-string open)) )
(while (and (< arg 0) (not (bobp)))
(skip-chars-backward notstrc)
(forward-char -1)
(setq depth 1)
(while (and (> depth 0) (not (bobp)))
(skip-chars-backward notstre)
(setq next (char-before))
(cond ((eq next close)
(setq depth (1+ depth)) )
((eq next open)
(setq depth (1- depth)) )
(t
(throw 'done nil) ) )
(forward-char -1) )
(setq arg (1+ arg)) ) ) ) ) ))
(setq forward-sexp-function 'forward-pexp)
I should warn you, by the way, that I just hacked this code together
in a few minutes after work tonight, and have not tested it
exhuastively. Let me know if you have any questions or problems.
--Greg
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-16 21:45 ` Miles Bader
@ 2004-09-17 17:25 ` Arjan Bos
2004-09-17 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-09-17 18:22 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Arjan Bos @ 2004-09-17 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
Miles Bader wrote:
>
> Perhaps you want to remove the parenthes-syntax of "(" and ")" (and
> maybe brackets too), so that only braces will ever participate in
> matching, e.g.:
>
> (defvar my-wacky-syntax-table
> (let ((table (make-syntax-table)))
> (modify-syntax-entry ?( "." table)
> (modify-syntax-entry ?) "." table)
> (modify-syntax-entry ?[ "." table)
> (modify-syntax-entry ?] "." table)
> table))
>
> ;; ... later, in mode init function:
> (set-syntax-table my-wacky-syntax-table)
>
> -Miles
Miles,
Sounds like a plan. Do you have any idea as to how I can integrate that
in the generic-mode setup I have currently?
This is what I have:
;; rtf-mode
(define-generic-mode 'rtf-generic-mode
nil
nil
(list "\\\\\\([a-z]+\\(-?[0-9]+\\)? ?\\)")
(list "\\.[rR][tT][fF]")
nil)
So I should call some function in the last `nil' I presume. Is it
possible to combine the (defvar my-wacky-syntax-table ...) with the
(set-syntax-table ... )?
Thanks In Advance,
Arjan
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
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@ 2004-09-17 17:29 ` Arjan Bos
2004-09-17 20:43 ` Greg Hill
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From: Arjan Bos @ 2004-09-17 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
Greg Hill wrote:
> At 9:19 PM +0200 9/16/04, Arjan Bos wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm currently developing yet another rich text format writer. And as
>> you might know, RTF is using curly braces a lot. Alas, every now and
>> then, a normal parentheses pops up between a set of matching {}. Both
>> the parens matching colouring and the forward-sexp / backward-sexp
>> can't handle this. How can I (help to) solve this?
>>
>> An rtf snippet is included here:
>
>> {\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\uc1
>> {\*\pnseclvl4\pnlcltr\pnstart1\pnindent720\pnhang{\pntxta )}}}
>
>>
>> This is a complete piece of (non-sensical, but correct) rtf. The first
>> `{' matches the last `}'. Only C-M-f jumps from the first `{' to the
>> one-to-last `}'.
>
>>
>> I'm wondering if this is a bug or not.
>>
>> TIA,
>
>> Arjan
>
>
> Arjan,
>
> Personally, I would call it a bug in the 'scan-sexps built-in function,
> which is called by 'forward-sexp, which is normally bound to "C-M-f".
> For some reason 'scan-sexps seems to treat a ")" as matching a "{". You
> might want to submit a bug report, but there is no guanentee the
> maintainers of Emacs will not call that odd behavior a "feature."
Thanks,
I'll submit a bug.
>
> On the other hand, if you just want to get on with life, you can try
> putting something like the following code in your .emacs file. The
> 'defun defines a function that scans forward for the first '(', '[', '<'
> or '{' following point, whatever it see first, then scans for a matching
> closing character, ignoring any other characters. The '(setq
> forward-sexp-function... effectively replaces the guts of 'forward-sexp
> with the new function, so you will not have to rebind your keystroke.
> It works in the backward direction as well ("C-M-b").
>
<snip gone="code"/>
> I should warn you, by the way, that I just hacked this code together in
> a few minutes after work tonight, and have not tested it exhuastively.
> Let me know if you have any questions or problems.
Greg,
I already had something similar. Looking at the current bracket under
point, finding its opposite and start counting the brackets you
encounter. Another of the same bracket ups the ante, the opposite pops
one from the ante. When the ante is empty, all bets are off, and the
bracket is found.
My code isn't perfect, so I will borrow heavily from yours.
Thanks!
>
> --Greg
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-17 17:25 ` Arjan Bos
@ 2004-09-17 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-09-18 0:25 ` Miles Bader
2004-09-17 18:22 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2004-09-17 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
> Sounds like a plan. Do you have any idea as to how I can integrate that in
> the generic-mode setup I have currently?
The generic-mode stuff is fine for very very simple stuff, but nothing else.
And sadly it doesn't naturally extend from one step to the other.
So I'd recommend you google for sample-mode.el and start from there.
Stefan
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-17 17:25 ` Arjan Bos
2004-09-17 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2004-09-17 18:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-09-17 18:36 ` Arjan Bos
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2004-09-17 18:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
> (define-generic-mode 'rtf-generic-mode
> nil
> nil
> (list "\\\\\\([a-z]+\\(-?[0-9]+\\)? ?\\)")
> (list "\\.[rR][tT][fF]")
> nil)
Try
(defvar rtf-font-lock-keywords
'("\\\\\\([a-z]+\\(-?[0-9]+\\)? ?\\)"))
(defvar rtf-mode-syntax-table
(let ((st (make-syntax-table)))
(modify-syntax-entry ?\( "." st)
(modify-syntax-entry ?\) "." st)
(modify-syntax-entry ?\[ "." st)
(modify-syntax-entry ?\] "." st)
st))
;;;###autoload
(add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.[rR][tT][fF]\\'" . rtf-mode))
(define-derived-mode rtf-mode text-mode "RTF"
"Major mode for Rich Text Format."
(set (make-local-variable 'font-lock-defaults)
'(rtf-font-lock-keywords)))
-- Stefan
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-17 18:22 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2004-09-17 18:36 ` Arjan Bos
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From: Arjan Bos @ 2004-09-17 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>(define-generic-mode 'rtf-generic-mode
>> nil
>> nil
>> (list "\\\\\\([a-z]+\\(-?[0-9]+\\)? ?\\)")
>> (list "\\.[rR][tT][fF]")
>> nil)
>
>
> Try
>
> (defvar rtf-font-lock-keywords
> '("\\\\\\([a-z]+\\(-?[0-9]+\\)? ?\\)"))
>
> (defvar rtf-mode-syntax-table
> (let ((st (make-syntax-table)))
> (modify-syntax-entry ?\( "." st)
> (modify-syntax-entry ?\) "." st)
> (modify-syntax-entry ?\[ "." st)
> (modify-syntax-entry ?\] "." st)
> st))
>
> ;;;###autoload
> (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.[rR][tT][fF]\\'" . rtf-mode))
>
> (define-derived-mode rtf-mode text-mode "RTF"
> "Major mode for Rich Text Format."
> (set (make-local-variable 'font-lock-defaults)
> '(rtf-font-lock-keywords)))
>
>
> -- Stefan
Stefan,
As always, your info is great, thanks! But I solved it by browsing
generic-x.el and applying the needed changes.
btw, did you notice that indenting the syntax-table elisp above has
problems with the parentheses and brackets?
Arjan
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-17 17:29 ` Arjan Bos
@ 2004-09-17 20:43 ` Greg Hill
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From: Greg Hill @ 2004-09-17 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
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At 7:29 PM +0200 9/17/04, Arjan Bos wrote:
>I already had something similar. Looking at the current bracket
>under point, finding its opposite and start counting the brackets
>you encounter. Another of the same bracket ups the ante, the
>opposite pops one from the ante. When the ante is empty, all bets
>are off, and the bracket is found.
>
>My code isn't perfect, so I will borrow heavily from yours.
>
>Thanks!
Arjan,
I cleaned up my code to the point that it will also work in place of
the regular forward-sexp and backward-sexp for everyday use. Here is
a copy, if you're interested. Please let me know if you try it and
find any problems. I will be using it myself as a permenant
replacement for forward-sexp and backward-sexp. If you are
interested in being notified of any problems I may find, please let
me know.
(defun skip-string-forward (&optional limit)
(if (eq (char-after) ?\")
(catch 'done
(forward-char 1)
(while t
(skip-chars-forward "^\\\\\"" limit)
(cond ((eq (point) limit)
(throw 'done nil) )
((eq (char-after) ?\")
(forward-char 1)
(throw 'done nil) )
(t
(forward-char 1)
(if (eq (point) limit)
(throw 'done nil)
(forward-char 1) ) ) ) ) ) ) )
(defun skip-string-backward (&optional limit)
(if (eq (char-before) ?\")
(catch 'done
(forward-char -1)
(while t
(skip-chars-backward "^\"" limit)
(if (eq (point) limit)
(throw 'done nil) )
(forward-char -1)
(if (eq (point) limit)
(throw 'done nil) )
(if (not (eq (char-before) ?\\))
(throw 'done nil) ) ) ) ) )
(defun forward-pexp (&optional arg)
(interactive "p")
(or arg (setq arg 1))
(let (open close next notstrc notstro notstre depth pair)
(catch 'done
(cond ((> arg 0)
(skip-chars-forward " \t\n")
(if (not (memq (char-after) '(?\( ?\[ ?\{ ?\<)))
(goto-char (or (scan-sexps (point) arg) (buffer-end arg)))
(skip-chars-forward "^([{<\"")
(while (eq (char-after) ?\")
(skip-string-forward)
(skip-chars-forward "^([{<\"") )
(setq open (char-after))
(if (setq close (cadr (assq open '( (?\( ?\))
(?\[ ?\])
(?\{ ?\})
(?\< ?\>) ) ) ) )
(progn
(setq notstro (string ?^ open ?\")
notstre (string ?^ open close ?\") )
(while (and (> arg 0) (not (eobp)))
(skip-chars-forward notstro)
(while (eq (char-after) ?\")
(if (eq (char-before) ?\\)
(forward-char 1)
(skip-string-forward) )
(skip-chars-forward notstro) )
(forward-char 1)
(setq depth 1)
(while (and (> depth 0) (not (eobp)))
(skip-chars-forward notstre)
(while (eq (char-after) ?\")
(if (eq (char-before) ?\\)
(forward-char 1)
(skip-string-forward) )
(skip-chars-forward notstre) )
(setq next (char-after))
(cond ((eq next open)
(setq depth (1+ depth)) )
((eq next close)
(setq depth (1- depth)) )
(t
(throw 'done nil) ) )
(forward-char 1) )
(setq arg (1- arg) ) ) ) ) ) )
((< arg 0)
(skip-chars-backward " \t\t")
(if (not (memq (char-before) '(?\) ?\] ?\} ?\>)))
(progn
(goto-char (or (scan-sexps (point) arg) (buffer-end arg)))
(backward-prefix-chars) )
(skip-chars-backward "^)]}>\"")
(while (eq (char-before) ?\")
(skip-string-backward)
(skip-chars-backward "^)]}>\"") )
(setq close (char-before))
(if (setq open (cadr (assq close '( (?\) ?\()
(?\] ?\[)
(?\} ?\{)
(?\> ?\<) ) ) ) )
(progn
(setq notstrc (string ?^ close ?\")
notstre (string ?^ close open ?\") )
(while (and (< arg 0) (not (bobp)))
(skip-chars-backward notstrc)
(while (eq (char-before) ?\")
(if (eq (char-before (1- (point))) ?\\)
(forward-char -1)
(skip-string-backward) )
(skip-chars-backward notstrc) )
(forward-char -1)
(setq depth 1)
(while (and (> depth 0) (not (bobp)))
(skip-chars-backward notstre)
(while (eq (char-before) ?\")
(if (eq (char-before (1- (point))) ?\\)
(forward-char -1)
(skip-string-backward) )
(skip-chars-backward notstre) )
(setq next (char-before))
(cond ((eq next close)
(setq depth (1+ depth)) )
((eq next open)
(setq depth (1- depth)) )
(t
(throw 'done nil) ) )
(forward-char -1) )
(setq arg (1+ arg)) ) ) ) ) ) ) ) ))
--Greg
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* Re: parens matching not matching all matching parens
2004-09-17 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2004-09-18 0:25 ` Miles Bader
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From: Miles Bader @ 2004-09-18 0:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> The generic-mode stuff is fine for very very simple stuff, but nothing else.
> And sadly it doesn't naturally extend from one step to the other.
Oh, I don't know, define-generic-mode lets you specify a list of "mode
init functions" which you can use to set stuff like syntax-tables. The
one generic mode I've made adds a syntax table that way, and I plan to
add a simple indentation engine in a similar way.
The main benefit of using generic-mode AFAICS is that it offers a pretty
painless way to avoid the baroqueness of font-lock -- you just give it a
simple list of "language keywords" and set up your syntax table
correctly and it does everything else.
-Miles
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2004-09-16 20:19 ` Arjan Bos
2004-09-16 21:45 ` Miles Bader
2004-09-17 17:25 ` Arjan Bos
2004-09-17 18:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-09-18 0:25 ` Miles Bader
2004-09-17 18:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-09-17 18:36 ` Arjan Bos
2004-09-17 2:18 ` Greg Hill
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2004-09-17 17:29 ` Arjan Bos
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