Troubles with Umlauts

Troubles with Umlauts

[Tobias Radloff]

Hi there,

I am having trouble using German Umlauts ('ä', 'ö', 'ü', 'ß' - I wonder if 
you see these characters correctly now) with Emacs 20.7. I installed Deli 
Linux (a Slackware derivate) on an old notebook, together with the 
emacs_nox package from slackware 7.1 (there is no X on the machine). 
Umlauts work perfectly in the terminal, vi, and other apps, only Emacs 
interprets them as 'v', 'd', '|', and so on.

I checked the FAQs on the internet, to no avail. Several different ways to 
edit the .emacs file did not work, including 'set-language-environment', 
'set-terminal-coding-system' and 'standard-display-european'. Now I am out 
of ideas.

The following variables are set:
LANG=de_DE
LC_CTYPE=de_DE
LC_ALL=de_DE
The stty parameters include -istrip and cs8.

Thanks for answers.
Tobias

Re: Troubles with Umlauts

[mjkarki]

Tobias Radloff <caralus@gmx.de> wrote:
> Umlauts work perfectly in the terminal, vi, and other apps, only Emacs 
> interprets them as 'v', 'd', '|', and so on.

I have following line in my .emacs file:

(set-input-mode nil nil 1)


Sincerely,
	Matti J. Kärki

Re: Troubles with Umlauts

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Apr 22 2004, Tobias Radloff wrote:

> I am having trouble using German Umlauts ('ä', 'ö', 'ü', 'ß' - I
> wonder if you see these characters correctly now) with Emacs 20.7.

I see them correctly and they are declared correctly.  But this is not
related to your problem since you obviously used a different machine
and a differnt program (Opera) to send this message.

> I installed Deli Linux (a Slackware derivate) on an old notebook,
> together with the emacs_nox package from slackware 7.1 (there is no
> X on the machine). Umlauts work perfectly in the terminal, vi, and
> other apps, only Emacs interprets them as 'v', 'd', '|', and so on.
>
> [...] including 'set-language-environment',
> 'set-terminal-coding-system' and 'standard-display-european'. Now I
> am out of ideas.

`standard-display-european' is a bad idea (it's obsolete and often
leads to trouble).

> The following variables are set:
> LANG=de_DE
> LC_CTYPE=de_DE

LC_CTYPE isn't necessary when LANG has the same value.  But I won't
hurt neither.

> LC_ALL=de_DE

You most probably don't want LC_ALL.

Try "emacs -q -no-site-file".  If this still doesn't shot the 8bit
character, show us the output of `M-x describe-coding-system RET' in
this Emacs session.

Bye, Reiner.
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Re: Troubles with Umlauts

[Tobias Radloff]

Hi,

> I see them correctly and they are declared correctly.  But this is not
> related to your problem since you obviously used a different machine
> and a differnt program (Opera) to send this message.
True, I use a different machine for networking since the notebook has no 
network device. I was just wondering.


> You most probably don't want LC_ALL.
Why not?


> Try "emacs -q -no-site-file".  If this still doesn't shot the 8bit
> character, show us the output of `M-x describe-coding-system RET' in
> this Emacs session.
That does not work. On startup I get the message "Opening input file: no 
such file or directory, /usr/lib/X11/locale/locale.alias". The output of 
the command you specified is: "Cannot open load file: mule-diag"

Bye,
Tobias

Re: Troubles with Umlauts

[Jason Rumney]

Tobias Radloff <caralus@gmx.de> writes:

> That does not work. On startup I get the message "Opening input file:
> no such file or directory, /usr/lib/X11/locale/locale.alias". The
> output of the command you specified is: "Cannot open load file:
> mule-diag"

You said earlier that you installed a package called emacs-nox
version 20.7.  But the emacs you are running seems to be looking for
some X files, and cannot find mule-diag.el(c). Are you sure the emacs
you are running is the same one you installed?

What does "emacs --version" say?

Re: Troubles with Umlauts

[Tobias Radloff]

Hi,

> What does "emacs --version" say?
It says "GNU Emacs 20.7.1", along with some copyright stuff. I got the 
package from 
ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-7.1/slakware/e1/emac_nox.tgz 
. The corresponding info file says:

emac_nox: Emacs binary without X support.
emac_nox:
emac_nox: A replacement /usr/bin/emacs binary that is not compiled with 
X11 menu
emac_nox: support.  This version of emacs is about 400K smaller than the 
full
emac_nox: version of emacs, and is the same in every respect except for X11
emac_nox: extensions.  It can still run in an xterm or rxvt if you wish to 
run
emac_nox: it under X, but it is mainly included for those folks who don't 
have X
emac_nox: (or the X11, Xaw, and Xt shared libs) installed on their 
machines.
emac_nox: You might want to remove the version that requires X if you 
install
emac_nox: and use this one.


Tobias

Re: Troubles with Umlauts

[Kai Grossjohann]

Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> writes:

> On Thu, Apr 22 2004, Tobias Radloff wrote:
>
>> The following variables are set:
>> LANG=de_DE
>> LC_CTYPE=de_DE
>
> LC_CTYPE isn't necessary when LANG has the same value.  But I won't
> hurt neither.

I'm not sure, but weren't there old Emacs versions which required the
string "iso8859_1" or similar in the locale to switch the language
environment automatically?

I guess that (set-language-environment "Latin-1") wouldn't hurt,
and (set-terminal-coding-system 'Latin-1) also wouldn't hurt.

Kai