From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Remove auctex from emacs Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 17:35:16 +0000 Message-ID: References: <878rmp6p1a.fsf@mbork.pl> <874jxc7pok.fsf@mbork.pl> <4JPfgfaJhGMNu0GVKlbgdOaYJmX8Cih8WZ6iYJkX-3JCK8QGot58RCyu8yWxajlfxWmXdRuWDy01mv6LkV9TY-Ms4RS_I6-ZvMjJta4_Ss8=@proton.me> <87edw75lq9.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9219"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: uzibalqa via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 19 20:03:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oaL79-00028t-7Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 20:03:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45190 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaL78-0000vm-2F for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 14:03:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48208) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaKgG-0003Rq-C5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 13:35:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]:48365) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaKg3-0003CC-L1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 13:35:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1663608924; x=1663868124; bh=y7VzXxJLcLj450c5X10cGpPICpiGT0+byDc0puT7GNo=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=R6V/8IiHKUYpgri0p0rt0+18EAZdq5rJx6qgkEVqz8zajcHqDRqUMPRZlSFwipiEU bH/QMOzoyMWFI5u0PTMdeCA//L71bJv+L5pjuG4DT44j/gO3vB9wejXq1gHH2Vq1Rk mXqyaolS+8gwXq6vMnSM8Vdjjc6lXTIFjDAOFiCYkQDhUlNFVEyxUuZRr45o/FCDAi l29NABUAVh8lTSLytv96sxkwlG8B3Z6f2D0TqZHqQXYUuNas3x6cOkmVb0gcKkI7mL SwNb6Scc/ke9/jnxg+cI/cv6dKC6cjU8A5mrdcbHG3QrC0gE+LI65lBHAv8U4Zw8OD paOQdeWl5oiNA== In-Reply-To: <87edw75lq9.fsf@mbork.pl> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.24; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4324.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139581 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, September 19th, 2022 at 5:15 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > On 2022-09-12, at 15:18, uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me wrote: >=20 > > ------- Original Message ------- > > On Monday, September 12th, 2022 at 12:16 PM, Marcin Borkowski mbork@mbo= rk.pl wrote: > >=20 > > > On 2022-09-12, at 12:01, uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me wrote: > > >=20 > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > > > > On Monday, September 12th, 2022 at 7:16 AM, Marcin Borkowski mbork@= mbork.pl wrote: > > > >=20 > > > > > On 2022-09-11, at 21:19, uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me wrote: > > > > >=20 > > > > > > How can remove auctex from emacs so that i can use tex-mode and= latex-mode ? > > > > >=20 > > > > > Out of curiosity: why? Is there anything that AUCTeX doesn't do t= hat > > > > > the built-in tex-mode/latex-mode does? I never used the built-in = mode, > > > > > but I read its documentation (many years ago), and it seems rathe= r > > > > > simplistic. OTOH, I used AUCTeX for many, many years (at least 15= years > > > > > - now I rarely do anything in (La)TeX), and it has always served = me well > > > > > (maybe apart from rather poor ConTeXt support, idk if that improv= ed - > > > > > but it still wasn't very bad). > > > > >=20 > > > > > Best, > > > >=20 > > > > Whatever it is, major-modes are not supposed to work that way. > > >=20 > > > Not sure what do you mean. Worked for me for well over a decade. > > > I assume it might bother you that it doesn't seem to have an entry in > > > `auto-mode-alist' =E2=80=93 but that makes sense given that the same = file name pattern ("\\\\\\\\.tex$")=20 > > > corresponds to several modes (plain TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt/possible others= , like AMSTeX).=20 Correct, that it disregards `auto-mode-alist'. > > > You could argue that there should be one major AUCTeX mode and plain = TeX/LaTeX/etc. minor > > > modes =E2=80=93=20 As there can be many modes, one mode should not take over any other mode. > > > but it is what it is, and I guess it's way too late to change that.= =20 This is where we disagree. There is never a time to say it is too late to = change. When it is time to change, the change should be made to happen. Probably` magic-mode-alist' could help =E2=80=93 but I have a hunch that it= 's > > > more recent than AUCTeX' mechanism for major mode selection. (It was > > > defined in Emacs 22.1 =E2=80=93 I'm 99% sure AUCTeX was around much e= arlier. > > > I seem to vaguely recollect the first Emacs version I used to be 21 > > > (=C2=B11), and I almost certainly attended a presentation about AUCTe= X before > > > I even used Emacs.) > >=20 > > There are too many tex and latex packages today, making the original de= sign quite inadequate, > > particularly with the emergence of cdlatex. >=20 >=20 > Interesting. I've been using AUCTeX a lot for many years until about > 2018, when I left academia. Since then I've been using it less often, > but I still do from time to time. I didn't notice any major > inadequacies (there are - and always have been - minor annoyances). > What are the problems you mean? >=20 > Best, >=20 > -- > Marcin Borkowski > http://mbork.pl